chocolate microwavable muffins!!

[pstansel]

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Gaaaah! But then all the (supposedly) induction legal recipes that have flax in them would be invalid. I don't particularly understand why you could take it as a supplement but not as a food (since, you know, it all ends up in the same place!) assuming you were talking the same amount.

[cleochatra]

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yep chapter 18 seems to follow 1992 rules and not 2002 but it is part of DANDR 2002 so if one sets rules by DANDR 2002 then one has to allow for what is in the book and we can't act as Martin Luther did and rip out the section we disagree with.
Chapter 18 rules don't have the same rule 5 has chapter 11 induction does

Woohoo! Thank you, 2big!

[cleochatra]

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Gee thanks Cleo.

DANDR induction sample menu page 234 Friday's snack is mocha granita as the snack and the recipe for it could be found on the atkins website

and it contains 1/3 of a cup (16 teaspoons worth) and was 6 servings so that would be 2 and 2/3s teaspoons per serving

that would make at least that much induction legal.

I wouldn't go tablespoons as that is a lot of cocoa

BTW there is no size limit on flax in induction reread that rule 12.

You know I love you. Thank you for reiterating the information on flax and cocoa! It makes sense to use both in moderation in induction.

[2big4mysize]

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I'm saying we can discuss the differences in chapter 18 induction and chapter 11 and any other part of DANDR 2002 which we feel is a bad editing job until the cows come home, but if ADBB is based on the 2002 DANDR then everything in it has to be allowed. That means one can pick which chapter they wish to follow and be 2002 DANDR legal. ADBB mods had a discussion about this back then when it was decided it was going to be 2002 DANDR. if you notice no where does it say follow chapter 11 only on this board. Many of us that were mods back then chose to only use the chapter 11 rules when guiding newbies and answering their questions but there were many a member who posted about the shakes in chapter 18 when answerign a newbies question about frankenfoods.


Dr Atkins and his medical staff along with the atkins.com folk were very much aware of the conflicting induction chapters and many of the other conflicting info like the UK cups to weight ounces conversion error months before his death. They could have issues a correction as Dana Carpender did for the errors in her recipe book, but they chose not to. Nor did they address it on the website.

So are you saying that cottage cheese is allowed on Induction if one is using the hardcover, but not if one is using the paperback, since the paperback has "cream cheese"?

>> Chapter 18 rules don't have the same rule 5 has chapter 11 induction does>>

And this doesn't seem like bad editing?

[james_brooks]

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So basically, different strokes for different folkes....

[nat11]

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2big,

I am a little confused. Are you basically saying that cottage cheese and nuts are allowed on the first two weeks of induction if one follows the 2002 plan?

[2big4mysize]

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2big,

I am a little confused. Are you basically saying that cottage cheese and nuts are allowed on the first two weeks of induction if one follows the 2002 plan?

No, DANDR 2002 says they are.

What I'm saying is read your DANDR and decide for yourself if you are doing a chapter 11 induction or a chapter 18 induction and then use the rules that apply to your chosen section.
if you do pick chapter 18 notice daily exercise is also in the rules, but not in chapter 11 induction even though chapter 15 and 22 say exercise is required as part of Dr Atkins plan.

[mizski]

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What I'm saying is read your DANDR and decide for yourself if you are doing a chapter 11 induction or a chapter 18 induction and then use the rules that apply to your chosen section.
if you do pick chapter 18 notice daily exercise is also in the rules, but not in chapter 11 induction even though chapter 15 and 22 say exercise is required as part of Dr Atkins plan.

Oh geezaloo 2Big, I am SO glad that I never picked up on the fact that there were two different versions of Induction in DANDR when I started. I was so focused on just eating what was on the acceptable food list, exercising and logging my foods on FitDay that I made it through in ignorant bliss.

[pstansel]

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Well... if nothing else this has turned into a really informative thread! So I'm glad I bumped her back up

[atkinsgal08]

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No, DANDR 2002 says they are.

What I'm saying is read your DANDR and decide for yourself if you are doing a chapter 11 induction or a chapter 18 induction and then use the rules that apply to your chosen section.
if you do pick chapter 18 notice daily exercise is also in the rules, but not in chapter 11 induction even though chapter 15 and 22 say exercise is required as part of Dr Atkins plan.

How does this work then:

from Chapter 18:

"5. Cheese (aged full-fat, firm, soft, semi-soft) is limited to three to four ounces daily. Fresh cheese, such as cottage cheese and farmer's cheese, is too high in carbohydrates for Induction."

It appears to this reader that neither the Ch. 11 nor the Ch. 18 version of Induction allows cottage cheese on Induction.

So it would seem to this reader that the sample Induction menu for Friday in Chapter 18 is just "wrong". It's not internally consistent.

And in Chapter 18, nuts and seeds are also excluded:

"14. Exclude the following items entirely:
•Sugar (in any form, including corn syrup, honey and maple syrup)
•Milk and yogurt (cream is allowed in limited amounts)
•Fruit and fruit juice
•Flour products (breads, pasta, crackers, etc.)
•Grains
•Cereals
•Beans and legumes
•Starchy or high sugar-containing vegetables (potatoes, yams, corn, peas, parsnips, beets, carrots)
•Sweet condiments (such as most ketchups, barbeque sauce and balsamic vinegar)
•French dressing, Thousand Island dressing (check labels for carb count)
•Cottage cheese, farmer's cheese and other fresh cheeses
•Nuts and seeds"

making the Zucchini Nut bread recipe on Friday also "illegal".

Seems to me that even if you do a "Chapter 18 Induction", those foods would be illegal.

Can't have it both ways, right?

[atkinsgal08]

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And since Chapter 18 references the Acceptable List of Induction Foods in Chapter 11, I'm wondering how there's really two different version of Induction?

Why can't the notion that the book was poorly edited be the logical conclusion?

Makes more sense to me than "two different versions of Induction"!

[cleochatra]

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Unsweetened cocoa is definitely not sweet. It's actually pretty bitter. You definitely have to pair it with one servings of the artificial sweeteners Atkins recommends in the 2002 book. I rarely use cocoa in induction, but knowing it's there is pretty nice if I ever wanted it. I prefer a monthly flax cracker instead just to live a little dangerously.

[Georgiana]

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Cottage cheese is not acceptable on Induction.

Nor are nuts acceptable during the first two weeks.

If we are to trust the Rules of Induction, then the sample one-week menu has to be wrong.

I agree with J. -- a food is either legal or illegal. That's not a matter of the chapter and line you are reading.

[2big4mysize]

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And since Chapter 18 references the Acceptable List of Induction Foods in Chapter 11, I'm wondering how there's really two different version of Induction?

Why can't the notion that the book was poorly edited be the logical conclusion?

Makes more sense to me than "two different versions of Induction"!

again we can discuss this forever. If one decides the book is poorly edited then the person making the judgement decided what parts are wrong and what parts are right.

If you look many of the recipes for those sample menus violate induction chapter 11.

Several times in DANDR 2002 Dr Atkins says nuts are the first food he recomends folk add back after 14 day induction but they are rung 3 not rung one so does one say OWL carb ladder is poorly edited and nuts/seeds should be rung one?

in chapter 8 he says 1 tablespoon is the serving limit for fiber foods added for constipation but in induction chapter 11 rule 12 he says "mix a tablespoon or more.... " so is it 1 tablespoon or is it more?


chapter 11 has no sweetner limits other then 3 servings a day for sachrine. chapter 18 has a limit of 3 for Splenda so which is it? all sweetners or just sacharine.

Chapter 11 induction puts olives and avacados in a speical catagory foods along with extra cream and juice from limes and lemons with a waring about slowing weigfht loss. Chapter 18 includes them in the rules as foods to consume and note that cream is listed there are heavy or light cream not just the heavy cream of chapter 11.
chapter 11 says 3 ounces of heavy cream which is 6 tablespoons chapter 18 says 2-3 tablespoons.

there are numerous contradictions between the 2 induction chapters

Yep the book was poorly edited and poorly written, but Dr Atkins chose not to clarify the errors as to which was correct leaving it to each person to chose for themselves and whatever choice the reader makes will be 2002 DANDR legal

[atkinsgal08]

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Cottage cheese isn't legal in either Induction chapter, so how is it legal in the sample menu?