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  • **FLAX OIL HELPS DEPRESSION & BI POLAR DISORDER*

    Hi Folks, :wave

    Dr. Atkins long proclaimed the benefits of Omega 3 oils in treating depression, having never had much interest in vitamins and supplements other than a multivitamin I have a new found passion for just how important vita- nutriant therapy is.

    I've been taking 6,000 mg of flax oil capsules (six pills) three times a day and really do feel a significant improvement in my overall emotional well being.

    In addition to Dr. Atkins own research and findings - there's a ton of new evidence that support the claims. Flax Oil or Fish Oil both contain the Omega 3 essential oils and can be used with any anti depressant medication without fear of an adverse reaction. In my opinion they should not be used, without prior consent from your prescribing physician.

    That said The following article should be of real interest:

    Omega-3 for Depression and Bipolar--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    • Have we been fishing in all the wrong places for the magic bullet for depression and bipolar? Have scientists been turning a blind eye to a well-known elixir that works well for other diseases and conditions? Ever since psychiatry threw Freud and his couch in the rubbish bin a couple of decades back, the profession has been oriented toward prescription drugs. Now, their focus appears to be widening.

      In 1999, a Harvard University study generated a buzz throughout the bipolar community with the prospect of a natural substance that worked - fish oil. After years of being bombarded by industrial-strength pharmaceuticals and toxic salts, people with bipolar and possibly depression could possibly look forward to a kinder and gentler treatment.

      In 1996, the Journal of the American Medical Association published a study comparing the prevalence of depression across ten nations. The survey yielded eye-opening results in showing how the lifetime and annual rates for depression vary widely from country to country (eg 1.5 in every 100 adults in Taiwan experience depression in their lifetimes while the figure is 19 for every 100 adults in Beirut). A 1998 study published in The Lancet compared this data with fish consumption, finding the higher consuming populations experienced less depression.

      A 2003 study published in the American Journal of Psychiatry compared similar cross-national epidemiological data - this time involving bipolar disorder - and seafood consumption, again finding a strong correlation.

      The working ingredient of fish oil is omega-3, a polyunsaturated fatty acid which is also found in certain plants such as flaxseed, pumpkin seed, and walnuts. According to Joseph Hibbeln MD of the NIH, who authored the two fish-consumption studies: "In the last century, [Western] diets have radically changed and we eat grossly fewer omega-3 fatty acids now. We also know that rates of depression have radically increased by perhaps a hundred-fold."

      In a NY Times article, Dr Hibbeln noted:

      Infant monkeys fed baby formula supplemented with omega-3 are stronger and more alert even at less than a week than monkeys given standard baby formula.
      Depression is 60 times higher in New Zealand, where the average consumption of seafood is 40 pounds a year compared to Japan, where a person consumes nearly 150 pounds of seafood a year.
      Postpartum depression is 50 times more common in countries with low levels of seafood consumption. During pregnancy, a woman’s body becomes depleted of fatty acids, which are transferred to the fetus.
      Omega-3 seems to be critical to the growth and maintenance of brain cells, especially cell membranes.
      When omega-3 is not available, the body uses omega-6, which produces cell membranes less able to cope with neurotransmitter traffic.
      And of course the famous 1999 Harvard pilot study.
      We eat far greater amounts of other damaging fatty acids. A healthy diet should provide for at least five grams daily of essential fatty acids, divided between omega-3 and omega-6.

      A quick Medline search turns up several studies that show depleted omega-3 levels in the blood, cell membranes, and brains of depressed patients, suggesting that an intake of omega-3 could help reverse the process, though this has yet to be proved in large-scale clinical trials.

      A 2003 Chinese study of 28 patients with major depression found that those taking 9.6 grams/day of omega-3 had "a significantly decreased [Hamilton] score" after eight weeks.

      The 1999 Harvard study that started it all was conducted on 30 patients with bipolar disorder, generally in stable condition but with a history of relapses (all had experienced bipolar episodes over the past year). All but eight of the subjects were on medications, which were left unchanged. Half the subjects were given 9.6 grams of fish oil capsules, the other half received olive oil.

      Andrew Stoll MD, who conducted the study, admits the olive oil, which did not have a fishy taste, was not a perfect placebo. In one case, a person's cat actually attacked the fish oil capsules. But, as he jokingly confessed in a session at the 2000 DBSA annual conference, "you want a flawed study. That way, you get money to do another study."

      The trial was supposed to go on for nine months, but was stopped after four due to its outstanding results, with the omega-3 group staying in remission significantly longer than the placebo patients. By two months, half of the placebo group had dropped out compared to two in the fish oil group. The omega-3 group actually did less well in lowering their mania scores than those taking placebos, but fared much better getting their depression down. Some patients experienced nausea, diarrhea, and fishy aftertaste, not surprising considering the high doses. Currently Dr Stoll is conducting a much larger and longer (three year) study that should conclude fairly soon. Other researchers are undertaking their own studies.

      Other studies:

      Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) is one of the active ingredients of omega-3 fish oil. An Israeli study of 20 patients with major depression found that EPA resulted in "highly significant benefits" compared to a placebo by week three.
      A 2001 study of 70 depressed patients who had not responded to other treatments were randomized into three groups taking different doses of refined EPA (one, two, or four grams a day) or a placebo. Six of the 52 patients on the EPA dropped out before 12 weeks. The one gram group did "dramatically better" than the placebo group, but surprisingly the two and four gram groups fared only modestly better than the placebo group. Much higher doses (eight to 10 gm/day) have been found effective in treating bipolar.
      The higher dose paradox was borne out in a 2003 Stanley Foundation Bipolar Network study of 59 depressed bipolar patients, which found that those on 6 gm/day EPA did no better than those taking the placebo over four months, with CGI-BP depression scores dropping from 4.1 to 2.7 for EPA vs 3.6 to 2.7 for the placebo. A second study on 62 rapid-cycling patients produced similar results.
      An NIH study tracking 14,541 women from their eighth week of pregnancy to eight months after giving birth found those who had no seafood - rich in omega-3 - had nearly twice the rate of depression as those who ate 10 ounces of fish daily, leading the authors to conclude: "Omega-3 fatty acids have beneficial health effects with no adverse side effects."
      A Finnish/National Cancer Institute survey of 29,133 Finnish men, aged 50 to 69, has found that "there were no associations between the dietary intake of omega-3 fatty acids or fish consumption and depressed mood, major depressive episodes, or suicide."
      The two active ingredients of omega-3 fish oil are EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (docosahexaenoic acid). EPA is considered to be the ingredient with the therapeutic effect, so it is important to buy omega-3 that contains more EPA than DHA. A pilot study of EPA on depressed patients produced a beneficial effect while in another study DHA proved a total dud.

      Fish oil has been highly touted as a prevention for heart disease and a host of other ills, so there was a ready-made supply on the market long before Dr Stoll's study.

      At a seminar at the May 2004 American Psychiatric Association’s annual meeting, Jerry Cott PhD, an FDA researcher, had this to say about omega-3.

      Omega-3, he said, is a fatty acid that appears to work much like a calcium channel blocker. Not uncoincidentally, he related, Joseph Hibbeln MD of the NIH, who has led the way in omega-3 research, had been working on a calcium channel blocker study. Omega-3 competes with its sister fatty acid, omega-6, for the same enzyme chain. From there, omega-3 and omega-6 are metabolized, then stored as highly unsaturated fatty acid in tissue phospholipids.. The ideal ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 is one to one, but with modern diets favoring omega-6 at 20 to one it’s fairly obvious which fatty acid is going to win the battle of the enzyme chain.

      Less may also be more. Large doses may result in oxidative stress as omega-3 is being metabolized.. This may explain why some studies using EPA (see above) failed at higher doses. Accordingly, Dr Cott recommends omega-3 be taken with vitamins C and E.

      Dr Stoll also recommends taking vitamins C and E with omega-3 (1.5 to 3.5 grams of omega-3 a day, taken with food). He does not suggest using cod liver oil, as high amounts can lead to hypervitaminosis A. In buying fish oil, make sure you receive a 90 percent concentration (in the past only 30 percent was available.) Be sure it contains more EPA than DHA, and that it has no heavy metal concentrations.

      Dr Stoll recommends fish oil capsules over a diet of cold water fish such as salmon or tuna, citing toxic ingredients as a reason for not going with fish. Even one can of tuna a week is too much, he asserts. Andrew Weil MD - the natural health guru recommends eating fish twice or three times a week, and cautions against capsules that may contain toxic contaminants. Both doctors agree that any fish you eat should be ocean fish rather than farm-raised fish. This is because omega-3 travels up the food chain from algae, while farm-raised fished are fed grains, which do not contain omega-3.

      Dr Stoll also favors fish oil over flaxseed oil, as fish oil is more proven at this point. Dr Weil says it's okay to go with flaxseed oil, which will make vegetarians happy.

      An article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune waxes eloquent on the benefits of flax, which is rich in omega-3. The Emperor Charlemagne was such a great fan of the grain that he required his subjects to eat it. Ground flax seed can be sprinkled on yogurt and a dash of flax oil can fortify a smoothie. According to the article, flax seed contains just one type of omega-3, so it is advisable to keep eating fish. Most capsules contain 1,000 mgs of flax oil, although it is not yet clear how much flax the body needs. Flax seed is also a rich source in ligands (which may prevent some hormonally-related cancers) and fibers (the oil alone does not have ligands or fiber). If you buy flax seeds, be sure they are ground or that you grind them, as the body cannot digest the seed's outer hull.

      The active ingredient in flax oil is alpha-linolenic acid, which is converted to EPA and DHA in the body.

      Whether as fish or flax oil, omega-3 has a blood thinning effect, but this is weaker than aspirin. Please notify your doctor before you use the two together, and stop taking if you feel any ill effects.

      Finally, keep in mind that although omega-3 looks like a promising way to treat depression and bipolar disorder, there are no major clinical trials to guide us. We are barely aware of its putative efficacy, much less its optimal dosage, much less how it actually works on the brain. Accordingly, omega-3 should be considered a complement to medications rather than a replacement, and should not be taken without first consulting your doctor or psychiatrist.



  • #2
    Hi Peterlock

    This is really fascinating! I've actually started with the fish oils for about a month now and I can't really tell if it's helped or not, but I think I do feel better.

    It is so great that you've done all this research, I really appreciate it! Hope all is going well for you.

    Best regards!
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    • #3
      I'm interested in trying this out since my depression has been HORRIBLE lately, but I dunno if I can take 18 pills in a day. Peter, you really take 18 pills for the fish oil?
      Name: Amber
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      • #4
        Hi Amber, :wave

        I'm so sorry to hear your not feeling well, I can defiantly relate and understand how horrible depression can be.

        For me, taking 18 softgels is a piece of cake, I take around 40 different supplements throughout the day so pills aren't an issue for me at all.

        However the Flax oil does come in oil form which you would take my the teaspoon (has a pleasant flavor, not bad at all) it comes in different concentrations look for the highest and you're probably looking at having to take two teaspoons a day.

        I'm also working under the assumption that you're not alone in this, you have a prescribing Psychiatrist or at the very least a Physiologist who supervises your care. Because if you don't self medicating yourself, even with natural supplements is about the worst mistake you can make.

        So discuss it with your Dr. he/she may or may not make any adjustments to your meds if your taking them - but that's very unlikely as there's virtually zero incidents of negative drug interactions, but it never hurts to ask.

        Hang in there, as bad as it gets there's always one absolute to a depressive episode whether it lasts for two months or two years - and that's that they pass..so remember that ok?

        Let me know if the Flax oil helps you out

        Peter

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        • #5
          This is a really interesting post.

          I actually went to a lecture last week. A doctor from Hammersmith Hospital in London has been treating patients suffering from depression and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome with Omega 3 and 6 oils. His results were impressive. He used Fish liver oil combined with Evening Primrose.

          He did warn about the dangers of toxicity. Standard Cod Liver oil is taken from the fish's liver where the toxins are highly concentrated. The liver is literally squeezed to remove the oil! There is a method of removing the toxins and heavy metals from the oil and he recommends only consuming products that are manufactured using this method.

          A note on flax oil. Watch out if you have impaired thyroid function.

          Nice one Peterlock!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Felix
            A note on flax oil. Watch out if you have impaired thyroid function.

            Felix x
            Can you explain this in a bit more detail?? please?
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            • #7
              their still isn't any actual proof flax will work and one study posted by Kerbaldwin on ADBB last yr said the flax didn't do the job the fish oil did with depression and shouled how the human body converted the flax omegas to a different chemical then the fish oils, so if you are going to use it for treating depression oe anything else fish oil is proven for please use the fish oil
              by the book atkinseer

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              • #8
                I'm not seeing a psychietrist. I was seeing a psychologist, but she really doesn't know anything about meds and her schedule is booked and I only get in to see her about once or twice a month. I haven't seen her at all in 3 weeks.

                I've taken effexor, paxil, and serzone in the past. All those did was make me gain lots of weight. I tried Wellbutrin SR earlier this year and that one worked for a week and that was it. Dosage was upped and still nothing. So, I'm hoping to see a psychietrist over summer or something. The depression's been bad lately and I've been having food issues and not staying 100% true to my Atkins unfortunately.

                I'll try the fish oil though, I plan to head to the store today and get some.
                Name: Amber
                Gender: Female
                Mini Goal: 275


                Fell off the wagon in May of 2005 after losing 65 lbs. I'm back on the wagon 01/22/07.




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                • #9
                  :hug AMbi hang in there girl you have been through a lot press your psycologist with your lack of relief and she should make time for you ar get you in to see the psychiatrist overseeing her work. Remember it isn't going to be overnight relief it will take weeks maybe even a few moths to turn your condition around with the fishoil asssiting the brain chems you need.
                  by the book atkinseer

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                  • #10
                    Hi Ambi, :wave

                    Sorry to hear your depression is in full swing - I understand how awful it can be as I've been living with depression my entire life.

                    I can assure you that depression is manageable, as manageable as most any other disease just remember, you can't diagnosis yourself and you can't medicate yourself, to think that you can isn't just foolish - it's dangerous.

                    Flaxseed or fish oil and yes, studies support relief from both oils regardless of what anyone else - particularly those without a clue of what depression is or what of means to live your life managing it have to say.

                    The likelihood that you'll find relief from any of these OTC remedies is zero.

                    Because you've been on mostly SSRI medications you know what the side effects can be. But side effects can be alleviated and in many cases eventually disappear.

                    Finding the right medication or combination of meds is probably the single most frustrating thing all sufferers of clinical depressive disorders can relate to, rant and rave about and if we're smart remember to laugh about.

                    With the average SSRI taking 4-8 weeks to begin to work and a minimum of 3-6 months monitoring the results, few things are less frustrating than discovering the medication is of no value to you and having to return to the drawing board all over again.

                    Now the good news is there's a newer generation of anti depressive medication called SSNRI's one in particular Cymbalta has both an extremely high success rate - and it works very quickly, most patients report relief within a week or two.

                    Weight gain is not an issue with Cymbalta in fact, test groups showed a significant decrease in appetite.

                    Ambi, what you need to do - and do fast is set an appointment with a Psychiatrist not a physiologist.

                    You need someone who is trained and licensed to prescribe the medications you need to get better, as for behavioral issues, don't waste time worrying about those it's putting the proverbial horse before the cart.

                    You need a Psychiatrist who will work closely with you in both finding the right meds or cocktail (combination of meds) and help bring you the relief you need.

                    Peter ha

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                    • #11
                      Thank you 2big and Peter. I've been suffering from depression since I was 14 (I'm 24 now). When I eat right and work out, it's easiest to manage. Right now I'm having issues with my job though and my wedding is 2 weeks from today (yikes!), so that's had it's own stress.

                      My insurance might change after I get married. I won't be returning to my current school district at the end of May and don't want to be without insurance while looking for a new school district to teach in, so I might go on my fiance's insurance in the meantime. Do you think I should wait a month or so until I know which insurance I'll be on, or see one now and switch later?

                      I'm sick of feeling like this. I have my whole life ahead and I'm ready for it. I hate being depressed and sad all the time.
                      Name: Amber
                      Gender: Female
                      Mini Goal: 275


                      Fell off the wagon in May of 2005 after losing 65 lbs. I'm back on the wagon 01/22/07.




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                      • #12
                        NOW

                        You have been posting about your depression getting worse since last fall Ambi please go see the doc and tell them everything you have been doing and plan to bedoing with regards to your exercise, vits and supplements, OTC stuff and your Rx drugs, even things like birthcontrol after you are married can effect you too so be sure you tell them everything!

                        Let the insurance take care of itself. You are already diagnosied so it will be a pre-existing condition no matter which insurance you switch too.
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                        Actually it was from the fishoil study folk that the no proof Flax oil would work info came from as a follow up to folk interviewing them about the fishoil studies and using either so if anyone has actual peer reviewed flax studies on its effect on depression I'd sure like to see them.
                        by the book atkinseer

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                        • #13
                          Re: **FLAX OIL HELPS DEPRESSION & BI POLAR DISORDER*

                          I doubt you'll see any actual studies showing the full benefits of any of these non-pharmaceutical compounds because the drug companies don't want any competition. Herbs are not able to be patented so there is no money to made from them. Most of these studies are never published, discontinued, or debunked by campaigns and web-sites set up to spefically debunk them. Everyone here seems to be on the same page when it comes to their faith in Dr. Atkins. My suggestion to anyone suffering from depression or anxiety is to obviously, see a psychiatrist, however, read Dr. Atkins Vita-Nutrient Solution. Dr. Atkins treated many depressed and anxiety ridden people in his clinic for years without the use of pharmaceuticals, and he did it succesfully. It helps if you have a physchiatrist who is open minded enough to suggest dietary changes, and supplementation, instead of dosing you up on all kinds of meds. A combination of the three can also be helpful. YMMV. Good luck.

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