Time for ADA to stop killing diabetics

[homeseeker]

Is there a leader out there to help us bombard the public media with what we have learned through using Dr. Atkin's understanding of diabetes? We are in the midst of a diabetic epidemic and the Doctors are making it worse. They are killing people. Only public pressure can force them to face the truth. There are many on this forum who have experienced the bad advice of the medical profession on this disease before finding relief through Atkin. . We are becoming so numerous that with a leader we could be that public pressure.

[homeseeker]

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Strange. I thought I would have company in my opinion. Both the preceding and post posts indicated so. Perhaps I am extreme in my resentment that the medical profession is so lacking in integrity as to ignore the success of us diabetics in dealing with this epidemic through the use of Atkins understanding of this problem. I think it is disgusting but am I alone? It seems so. Do you realize how destructive the guidance of the medical association and the politically correct dietitians are? Does anyone care or do we get the medical establishment we deserve by default?

[momtomany1]

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Hi, Homeseeker. The 'medical establishment' is a bit of a juggernaut, perhaps many share your opinion but don't have the energy to think of trying to 'stare it down.'

My sister was Type I, and I worry about my own risks. I have a friend who lives on Glucerna products and must weigh near 400 lbs. She is always complaining about her glucose levels, and is grouchy and moody all the time. Slowly dying.. you know? And of course she has a doctor who is obviously not helping her all that much.

But you are 'being the change you seek in the world,' and spreading the world, I am sure we all do this to the best of our ability.

[db7]

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I totally agree with you. It makes me soooooo angry that physicians are just throwing diabetic patients into the low-fat diets and giving them meds when what they should be doing is putting them on low carb plans. I was injecting myself up to 4 or more times a day with 2 different types of insulin and taking 2000 MG of Metformin and 4MG of Amaryl a day. The first day I was on Atkins, my blood glucose levels went down and have stayed down. I have not taken a single pill or had to give myself insulin since I started Atkins on 07/22/08. My friend is exactly the same. She didn't have diabetes yet, but was pre-diabetic and of course just immediately put on Metformin and a low fat diet. She hasn't had a high number or taken a pill since being on Atkins.

The more successful this WOE is for me, the more resentful I am toward my physician and that she either 1) doesn't know about the effects carbs have on glucose, although she shoudl or 2) doesn't like "low carbing".

Anyway, maybe one day the medical community will all realize there are many more successful ways to manage diabetes without having to take any medications and gain weight.

[Cottage]

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I've thought about this and now wonder. Is there a difference between the way a D.O. handles diabetes compared to a M.D.? The DOs I have seen are pro low carb.

[gman]

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I agree!
By the way Dave, congrats on your success!

[homeseeker]

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I've thought about this and now wonder. Is there a difference between the way a D.O. handles diabetes compared to a M.D.? The DOs I have seen are pro low carb.

This is very interesting. I will investigate in my area (Issaquah, WA). Does anyone else have information on this? Please post it or send me an email. poggemann@gmail.com

[flpooh19701]

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Strange. I thought I would have company in my opinion. Both the preceding and post posts indicated so. Perhaps I am extreme in my resentment that the medical profession is so lacking in integrity as to ignore the success of us diabetics in dealing with this epidemic through the use of Atkins understanding of this problem. I think it is disgusting but am I alone? It seems so. Do you realize how destructive the guidance of the medical association and the politically correct dietitians are? Does anyone care or do we get the medical establishment we deserve by default?

You are definitely NOT alone! I am watching my dad die of diabetes and it's related consequences every day! I have talked to him about low carb and he has mentioned it to his doc who in turn told him it is definately not an option for him. I suspect this is because his kidneys are really bad from the years and years of abuse the diabetes has inflicted. It does make me angry because I suspect his kidneys would be in a much better place if someone had advised him to go low carb in the beginning. Like you, I would love to see something done about it. I simply don't have the time to take on the medical industry to promote that change. I wouldn't even know where to start to be honest. I am insulin resistant and come from a long line of diabetics. I am raising my kids to focus on low carb with an occasional treat here and there. My 14 year old daughter who has just broke 100 lbs is already feeling the effects of insulin issues. If she eats a large portion of sugar she throws up. (one of my earlier , unknown signs). This problem is an epidemic. I can only hope that parents can learn the low carb life, and educate their kids in order to avoid diabetes and I hope that those kids can in turn make the changes for the next generation.

[Cottage]

Re: Time for ADA to stop killing diabetics

Strange. I thought I would have company in my opinion. Both the preceding and post posts indicated so. Perhaps I am extreme in my resentment that the medical profession is so lacking in integrity as to ignore the success of us diabetics in dealing with this epidemic through the use of Atkins understanding of this problem. I think it is disgusting but am I alone? It seems so. Do you realize how destructive the guidance of the medical association and the politically correct dietitians are? Does anyone care or do we get the medical establishment we deserve by default?

Homeseeker,

You are NOT alone!

It isn't economically feasible for this nation to know the truth. There are more LIES than you may realize at this point in your understanding.

I posted my thoughts here:

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/diabetes-atkins-low-carb-living/52853-ada-makes-me-angry-2.html

[Coop2004]

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I've thought about this and now wonder. Is there a difference between the way a D.O. handles diabetes compared to a M.D.? The DOs I have seen are pro low carb.

This is very interesting. I will investigate in my area (Issaquah, WA). Does anyone else have information on this? Please post it or send me an email. poggemann@gmail.com

I see an M.D. and he's the one who suggested that I go low-carb.

[homeseeker]

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I see an M.D. and he's the one who suggested that I go low-carb.

I'm sure you read all the posts on this forum and realize how rare your situation is. At my HMO Atkin is anathema. I posted my excellent lab results on their forum with credit to Atkin and they simply deleted my post. My relatives including a nutritionist and an MD are steadfast against Atkin without giving any justification, just name calling. They say all research is tainted and my personal experience is anecdotal, if they pay any attention at all. Meanwhile several, including the MD, have diabetes and are rapidly deteriorating from it. They keep getting fatter on low fat diets with lots of medications.
You are very fortunate to have that doctor.

[Cottage]

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Homeseeker,
I can hear the frustration in your voice. I was panicing deciding how I was going to tell my doc I wouldn't do Low-Fat or just how I could lie to him effectively and NOT tell him I was doing Low Carb.

With an HMO you may not have the choice of changing docs but you do have correct information.....thankfully!

One of the best books I read that told me WHY is The Zone by Barry Sears. I was a biology major in college then later switch and took Statistics. That book was AMAZING! His diet is balanced in a way I have trouble with, that and the phone counselor totally freaked when I lost 11 pounds in 2 weeks, so I had to back into Atkins.

Grab a copy of The Zone at the library and give it a read, you'll totally feel better about the choice you made aligning your eating with the Atkins approach.

No one seems to remember the Old WeightWatchers diet is similar to Atkins and that was based on the Old Diabetic diets.

I'm telling you, this isn't about health, it is about our Economy.

You go low-fat feeding the 'grains/bread basket' economy, that feeds the pharmecutical industry with your prescriptions, which fuel more visits to the doctor as well as accelerating the aging process. I could go on and on but won't.

Another good book written by an endocrinologist is Swartzbein Principle. She explains what The Zone leaves out.

It is ok to let that god/doc believe what he wants to. And it is ok for you to take responsibility for your own health.

The Health Industry is about the only Strong industry we have left fueling our economy now that we have shipped our jobs over seas.

[homeseeker]

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Thank you Cottage, for your reply. I have several of Sears books and have tried his approach in the past but it drives my blood sugar through the roof. I can't eat that many carbs. Bernstein and Rosedale are other options, good but not better than Atkin.
This I don't understand from your post. " phone counselor totally freaked when I lost 11 pounds in 2 weeks, so I had to back into Atkins."

[Lilacs]

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I've thought about this and now wonder. Is there a difference between the way a D.O. handles diabetes compared to a M.D.? The DOs I have seen are pro low carb.

I was introduced to the low carb WOE by my DO.

[MrsChesterDogg]

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It's gonna take time, but I think it will come. There will be a time when the ADA and doctors finally understand what causes diabetes, and how to handle it. It only makes sense to me that if my body reacts badly to something then the thing to do is avoid it. When you are highly allergic to something what does the doctor tell you? Don't eat that! Don't touch that! Stay away from that! When you are diagnosed with diabetes, what do most doctors tell you? Here, take these pills, and eat lots of bread, potatoes, pasta, corn and oh yea, it won't hurt you to have a little sugar now and then either. As for me, I prefer to avoid the thing that makes my body react badly.