Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

>>Whipping cream, who the heck puts that in their coffee or eggs...>>

Lots of people do!

[liv]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

>>Whipping cream, who the heck puts that in their coffee or eggs...>>

Lots of people do!

I do too. sometimes. Great stuff.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

>>why is this not working,>>

How do you know it's not working?

Just because you didn't loose something in the last few days?

If that's the case, how are you going to handle a real stall? What will you do if you go MONTHS without losing? How will you handle maintenance?

Maybe you want to think about what your expectations are ... and if Atkins is a diet to you or a way of eating for life?

I know it's frustrating (been there, done that) ... but what you have to learn is that this doesn't happen overnight. You don't lose all the weight overnight, you don't get good at Fitday overnight, you don't learn Atkins overnight.

Good think patience is truly 0 carb because we all need a lot of it every day!

[I am not fat, I am fluffy]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

but you told me that???

sorry I misspelled your name wrong.

i ate dinner...it was good. I made the spinach lasagna off Linda`s site. It was pretty good but next time I think I would like to put peppers or something in it.

it`s 368 cal, 28g fat, 23g pro. 5g carb, 2g dietary fiber, 3g net carbs for a 1/6 pcs.

I use a smaller pan so my net carbs would be about 5 g

thanks all.

[Georgiana]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

but you told me that???

I believe my previous post here was not sufficiently clear for everyone. Let me try again...

From What is Half and Half? (the bolding and underlining is, of course, mine).

In the United States, half and half refers specifically to a dairy product made from milk and cream.

In a commercial dairy, half and half is made by separately pasteurizing milk and cream and then homogenizing equal parts together. The homogenization ensures that the half and half will not separate.

Milk is not on the Induction Acceptable Foods List. Just because it is mixed with cream does not change this. If you prefer half and half in place of heavy or single cream, it can be added back in OWL Rung 2 (diary).

PS: I realize there is also milk in cream. But the lactose content in light and heavy cream is lower than in half and half, and half and half is not on the Acceptable Foods List.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

>>Milk is not on the Induction Acceptable Foods List.>>

Hmmm ... cheese is made from milk. So is cheese not allowed on Induction?

Cream is made from milk, also. And it's allowed.

Butter is made from milk. And it's allowed.

Single cream isn't really a term generally used in the US.

>>Milk is not on the Induction Acceptable Foods List.>>

So using this statement, foods that Dr. Atkins specifically states are acceptable (such as cream, cheese and butter), you're say are not allowed?

>>I realize there is also milk in cream.>>

Using your own statement though, it shouldn't be allowed.

I'm very very confused here.

[mizski]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

>>Milk is not on the Induction Acceptable Foods List.>>

Hmmm ... cheese is made from milk. So is cheese not allowed on Induction?

Cream is made from milk, also. And it's allowed.

Butter is made from milk. And it's allowed.

Single cream isn't really a term generally used in the US.

>>Milk is not on the Induction Acceptable Foods List.>>

So using this statement, foods that Dr. Atkins specifically states are acceptable (such as cream, cheese and butter), you're say are not allowed?

>>I realize there is also milk in cream.>>

Using your own statement though, it shouldn't be allowed.

I'm very very confused here.

Oh come on now...you're not confused. You just like to argue a point into the ground. You know why milk is not allowed, so why confuse new people with pointless one-upmanship?

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

>>Oh come on now...you're not confused. You just like to argue a point into the ground. You know why milk is not allowed, so why confuse new people with pointless one-upmanship?>>

I am indeed confused. If the logic is that milk isn't allowed, then how is it that a food such as cream, butter, and cheese are allowed?

[chinadoll]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

Cream and cheese have less lactose, a naturally occurring milk sugar, and a higher percentage of fat. Milk is more lactose. Therefore it is slightly higher in carbs and sugar, which is the bigger issue since it can affect blood sugar more rapidly.

Will a little half and half make a huge difference? Probably not and I have used it myself when I was out of cream. BUT since Induction is specifically designed to be your two weeks of eating clean, it makes sense to use cream, heavy cream, and up the fat, rather than use 1/2 and 1/2 with its higher level of sugar.

[Georgiana]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

Single cream isn't really a term generally used in the US.

My mistake. That should have been light cream, not single cream.

[Georgiana]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

>>Milk is not on the Induction Acceptable Foods List.>>

Hmmm ... cheese is made from milk. So is cheese not allowed on Induction?

Cream is made from milk, also. And it's allowed.

Butter is made from milk. And it's allowed.

Single cream isn't really a term generally used in the US.

>>Milk is not on the Induction Acceptable Foods List.>>

So using this statement, foods that Dr. Atkins specifically states are acceptable (such as cream, cheese and butter), you're say are not allowed?

>>I realize there is also milk in cream.>>

Using your own statement though, it shouldn't be allowed.

I'm very very confused here.

Trust me, if we were allowed to drink milk on Induction, I would have followed the Rules of Induction to a T.

Butter is made by separating butterfat from buttermilk and churning the butterfat, and has almost no lactose. Butter is on the Acceptable Foods List.

The cheeses allowed during Induction are made by adding rennet to milk. The enzymes in rennet precipitate the casein in milk; this causes the milk to coagulate, thus forming a curd and whey. The whey is then drained. Since whey is the part that contains lactose, most of the lactose is removed from cheese. Fresh cheeses, such as ricotta, are made by adding an acid solution to whey, cream or milk. The acid solution does not have the strong coagulation properties of rennet, which is why fresh cheeses are, in general, higher in carbohydrates (from lactose in whey). "Aged" cheeses (not exactly the proper term if one looks at the List) are on the Acceptable Foods List. Fresh cheeses aren't.

Cream is made by separating butterfat from milk. If you make cream at home, the longer the milk is left to rest, the higher the percentage of butterfat in the cream you skim off will be. Commercially, cream is made in a centrifuge. Milk is spun at high speed, which causes the lower density part (butterfat) to go towards the center of the centrifuge, while the higher density part (the left over skim milk) will remain on the sides. There is a valve on top of this centrifuge, whose diameter can be adjusted. By adjusting the size of the valve and spinning for a longer/shorter time, different types of cream can be made, with fat percentages between 18% (light cream) and 40% (heavy cream). This is how light and heavy cream are made, and both are specifically listed on the Acceptable Foods List.

Light cream is 18-30% butterfat; heavy cream is 35-40% fat. Half and half is 10-12% butterfat. Half and half, as we all agree, is made by mixing equal parts of milk and cream. This is not done with the centrifuge, by simply adjusting the diameter of the valve and/or changing the spinning time. How it is done is by taking the cream that comes out of the centrifuge and mixing it with milk, at high pressure. The high pressure keeps the two from separating because of their different densities. Why did I write those numbers above? Let's mix cream and milk, in equal parts. We cannot use heavy cream, because then the fat percentage would be 17.5-20% (divide 35-40% by 2, because cream is 1/2 of the half and half). So the cream we need to use is light cream, which is on the Acceptable Foods List (limited to 2-3 tbsp). So we are mixing a food that is on the Acceptable Foods List with a food that isn't (milk). The result will be something that is not allowed during Induction.

But to put it differently... If someone was asking whether they can add 1-1/2 tbsp of light cream and 1-1/2 tbsp of milk in their decaf coffee, on Induction, would you say it's okay to do? I wouldn't, since milk is not allowed on Induction; I would tell the person to add more light cream or heavy cream or mix cream with some water if he/she wants it more "diluted". Since half and half is nothing else than light cream and milk, just homogenized (at high pressure) so that they don't separate, I cannot tell a person it is okay to add half and half to his/her coffee. Just because the light cream and the milk were homogenized doesn't change a thing. So, unless you tell people that 1 to 1-1/2 tbsp of milk is okay to have during Induction, I do not understand why you would tell them that half and half is okay.

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

>>if we were allowed to drink milk on Induction>>

I did not suggest (nor would I ever) that drinking milk (or using milk) would be allowed.

What I inferred from your earlier statement was that anything made from milk wasn't allowed ... period ... because milk isn't allowed ... so that anything derived from milk as an ingredient would be forbidden.

>>f someone was asking whether they can add 1-1/2 tbsp of light cream and 1-1/2 tbsp of milk in their decaf coffee, on Induction, would you say it's okay to do?>>

I would not say it was ok to add the milk, clearly.

[Georgiana]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

I would not say it was ok to add the milk, clearly.

So why would you then say it is okay to add half and half, when it's just a mixture of single cream and milk?

[I am not fat, I am fluffy]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

Holy crap...now I am confused....LMAO

I shall just drink it black...

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Confused...about to throw in the towel..please help

Use heavy (whipping) cream. You'll be fine!