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  • #16
    Re: Calorie questions

    Originally posted by brandywine1241 View Post
    What is the source of this rule of thumb?
    The Atkins Center FAQs from April 2003.

    "I'm used to counting calories. How many am I allowed on Induction?

    The Atkins Nutritional ApproachTM counts grams of carbohydrates instead of calories. In Induction, you are allowed 20 grams of Net Carbs. When you progress to Ongoing Weight Loss, you gradually add carbohydrates in 5-gram increments as you move toward Pre-Maintenance, and finally to the Lifetime Maintenance phases of Atkins. Although you do not need to count calories, it is certainly possible to consume too many calories even if your carb intake is on target. If you are losing weight, there is no need to concern yourself with counting calories. However, if you are unable to lose weight or actually regain weight lost, one possibility is that you are taking in more calories than you expend through exercise, thermogenesis (the body's own heat production) and other metabolic functions.

    Research has shown that on a controlled carbohydrate program, more calories are burned than on a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet, so there is a certain metabolic advantage to the controlled carb approach. But understand that this does not give you a license to gorge.

    If you are used to counting calories and are more comfortable with such an approach, the general rule of thumb is to multiply your present weight by 10 to 12 to get the daily caloric range at which you would lose weight. For example a 150-pound woman who consumes 1,500 to 1,800 calories daily should continue to lose weight.

    The real goal of the Atkins program is to learn eating habits that will enable you to permanently maintain a healthy weight and lifestyle. This includes changing old habits such as overeating that contributed to your original weight problem."
    "Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an oyster."

    -- Theodore Roosevelt

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    • #17
      Re: Calorie questions

      Gosh, that still seems like so much to me. Would you mind showing me a sample menu of 2500 calories with 20 carbs, most carbs coming from veggies, and properly fat/protein ratios? Maybe if I can see it, it will seem more feasible to me. I think that would help lot


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      • #18
        Re: Calorie questions

        >>Would you mind showing me a sample menu of 2500 calories with 20 carbs, most carbs coming from veggies, and properly fat/protein ratios?>>

        Ah, part of Atkins is self-knowledge.

        You need to do this for yourself!

        And ... please stop worrying about %s!

        If I were to create a menu for you, there would be food you didn't like, or food I don't like that you like (no mushrooms here!).

        And ... you wouldn't have learned how to do it for yourself.

        So ... you create (this is where Fitday can really come in handy!) ... and we'll help you along. The first step has to be yours though.

        You can get vegetable ideas here:

        J.

        "Your life will never change until you change your choices."

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        • #19
          Re: Calorie questions

          Originally posted by atkinsgal08 View Post
          >>Would you mind showing me a sample menu of 2500 calories with 20 carbs, most carbs coming from veggies, and properly fat/protein ratios?>>

          Ah, part of Atkins is self-knowledge.

          You need to do this for yourself!

          And ... please stop worrying about %s!

          If I were to create a menu for you, there would be food you didn't like, or food I don't like that you like (no mushrooms here!).

          And ... you wouldn't have learned how to do it for yourself.

          So ... you create (this is where Fitday can really come in handy!) ... and we'll help you along. The first step has to be yours though.

          You can get vegetable ideas here:

          http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...challenge.html
          I really wasn't worried about the %, I know they vary and it balances in the long run. I only posted them because I was *asked* to. I know the ball park of where they are supposed to be;-)

          I can do this for myself, I have done this myself before. I merely wanted to know if my calories were high enough because I didn't feel that they were (and since I think they were a bit low my first time, I'm trying not to make the same mistake that caused me to have a year long stall).

          Along came posts that it should be 10-12 times my weight (I weight 213) which seems incredibly high to me for an older, sedentary woman, seeing that I have to force myself to eat what I am, and my caloric intake ranges from 1000-1800. I just can't fathom a properly balanced menu with those numbers, and would love to see an example. Not that I would eat it, just to understand if it actually works, or if numbers are arbitrarily being tossed around without any true practicality.


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          • #20
            Re: Calorie questions

            >>my caloric intake ranges from 1000-1800.>>

            1000 is not enough. 1800 might be closer to what you need.

            >>if numbers are arbitrarily being tossed around without any true practicality.>>

            They're not being tossed around willy-nilly.

            >>if it actually works>>

            It worked for me.
            J.

            "Your life will never change until you change your choices."

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            • #21
              Re: Calorie questions

              I agree, even on average of 1350, I said in my OP that I thought that was too low. I'm not advocating a low calorie approach. I wanted to know what ball park to shoot for.

              I'm not saying that the numbers you are quoting are willy nilly, and I'm glad that approach worked for you. I just want to see what it actually looks like in terms of an actual, induction legal, day's worth of food. I'm not asking you to make a menu for me to follow, just demonstrate to me how that would even work. I want to know what it looks like, so I can try to understand if I could ever eat that many calories in one day. I really don't think I could, at least not with 20 carbs, most of which coming from veggies, and trying to keep my fat/protein rations within reason.


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              • #22
                Re: Calorie questions

                >>I wanted to know what ball park to shoot for.>>

                And that ball park was suggested to you.

                >>I really don't think I could, at least not with 20 carbs, most of which coming from veggies, and trying to keep my fat/protein rations within reason.>>

                It's quite possible. And remember, it's NET carbs.

                The thing is ... no one can create this menu for you. YOU need to sit down and play with whatever program you're using and enter the food YOU eat. Then you can add and subtract as needed.

                Once you've done that, you can ask for advice.

                I believe you stated you were familiar with Linda's site at Linda's Low Carb Menus & Recipes - Home and she has menus ... that might be a jumping off point.
                J.

                "Your life will never change until you change your choices."

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                • #23
                  Re: Calorie questions

                  Originally posted by BriteWingz View Post
                  I want to know what it looks like, so I can try to understand if I could ever eat that many calories in one day.
                  The menu below has 2442 calories and 20 net carbs. 14 net carbs are coming from vegetables.

                  If you're interested what the percentages are, it's 70% fat, 25% protein, 5% carbs.

                  Breakfast

                  3 large eggs
                  10 g olive oil
                  1 tbsp Parmesan cheese
                  3 tbsp heavy cream

                  Snack

                  2 oz Brie

                  Lunch

                  8 oz ground beef
                  4 oz sweet red pepper
                  1/4 cup scallions, chopped
                  1 clove garlic
                  2 tsp ginger root, minced
                  1 tsp chili powder

                  Snack

                  1 small red pepper (about 75 g without stem, seeds and core)
                  1.5 oz cream cheese

                  Dinner

                  8 oz steak

                  salad with:
                  1 cup romaine lettuce
                  3/4 cup tomatoes
                  1 tbsp ground flax seeds
                  1 tbsp olive oil
                  1 tsp red wine vinegar
                  "Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an oyster."

                  -- Theodore Roosevelt

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                  • #24
                    Re: Calorie questions

                    Well gosh, here I thought the program I use WAS showing me net carbs, but I entered your menu in, and realized it is NOT. Maybe that's why I stalled out last time!!! Sheesh., I better go find another snack

                    Anyway, after doing the comparison of My PLAN to the USDA and convincing myself it is quite accurate, now I'm not so sure. I'm getting 21 carbs, 1952 calories, with 6% carbs, 31% protein, and 63% fat, which is different than what you got. What do you use, and have you spot checked it against the USDA?

                    Thanks so much for posting that. It really does help me a great deal Especially now that I know my carb counts are not adjusted in My PLAN!


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                    • #25
                      Re: Calorie questions

                      Sorry, I made a mistake in what I posted above. I used "1 piece" of steak (247 g), not 8 oz.

                      However, even with 8 oz, I still get 2363 calories.

                      Originally posted by BriteWingz View Post
                      I'm getting 21 carbs
                      Those are net carbs, right?

                      What do you use, and have you spot checked it against the USDA?
                      I use Nutrition Data, which takes the values directly from the USDA database.

                      You can see the menu here:

                      Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Sample Induction menu
                      "Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an oyster."

                      -- Theodore Roosevelt

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                      • #26
                        Re: Calorie questions

                        Yes, net carbs

                        Maybe it's listed as a different kind of steak?? I've had trouble finding the specific cut I was looking for in the past, maybe the fat content it higher, thus has more calories?

                        Can you keep a running log at that site?


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                        • #27
                          Re: Calorie questions

                          Originally posted by BriteWingz View Post
                          Maybe it's listed as a different kind of steak?? I've had trouble finding the specific cut I was looking for in the past, maybe the fat content it higher, thus has more calories?
                          That can't really account for a 400 calories difference if we both used 8 oz of steak...

                          Can you keep a running log at that site?
                          No. I track my foods in a notebook and I only use Nutrition Data to get the totals for each day.

                          If you are looking to try something else, you might want to try

                          All Things Food and Diet - FatSecret

                          This one can calculate net carbs for you.

                          What's the reason why you didn't like FitDay? Or did you just like P.L.A.N. more?
                          "Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an oyster."

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