Importance of Vegetables

[jsj0305]

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I was suprised myself when he did say it, I didn't know it was okay to tak ethem everyday. I had actually just posted that in another thread.

My psyllium husk caplets say to take 5 3x's a day, for no longer than a week. I guess maybe just one tbsp would be enough for prevention, where the 5 pills 3x's a day are to help once you're already constipated??

[sunflowergrl]

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My capsuls are 100% psyllium, and it says safe to take every day as a fiber supplement. The dose is 6 capsuls a day, but I only take 3. I just don't see how its 'unsafe', when its totally natural. I guess this is one of those things were we all have to make our own choices. I would never take Exlax or anything like that, its poison.

[Austlyn]

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My capsuls are 100% psyllium, and it says safe to take every day as a fiber supplement. The dose is 6 capsuls a day, but I only take 3. I just don't see how its 'unsafe', when its totally natural. I guess this is one of those things were we all have to make our own choices. I would never take Exlax or anything like that, its poison.

That is the point they are not all natural, they add poisoinous chemicals to them. People who work in the factories where they are made become ill from exposure. If it was a phyllium husk you ate and not broken done it would be safer. But it is always safer to eat natural things whole things.

And when did we become a society that beleives everything we read and not do research, the FDA approves numerous things only for them to be recalled.
Also we find out years later that somthing wasn't healthy, in fact we do Atkins here and I think most of us do not agree with what they call healthy diet.

[sunflowergrl]

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They ARE natural, and I do NOT believe everything I read. I find that very offensive. I will take these, as I chose to believe Dr. Atkins, thank you very much.

[jsj0305]

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That is the point they are not all natural, they add poisoinous chemicals to them. People who work in the factories where they are made become ill from exposure.

Are you refering to the psyllium husks or the Exlax here? I am confused.

[cypressgirl]

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Maybe the difference is between what you can sprinkle into a recipe and what they call a pill. They have to use something to bind it into a pill so there would be additives of 'some' type. I wouldn't get too worked up about it though. The FDA ain't perfect but I'm gonna have to go with the opinion that they are probably okay.

[Analog6]

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Dr A recommends the psyllium huks IF YOU SUFFER CONSTIPATION. He did not say everyone has to take them. If you need them, use them.

[jsj0305]

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Yes, but that is where it gets confusing for everyone.

On page 75 in DANDR, he says it is traditionally just for constipation, but on page 76, he says "I recommend that you take one tablespoon of psyllium husks daily." A few sentences after he explains how drinking all your water is also essential in preventing constipation.

I can see where it can go either way. Either as a treatment or prevention.

[Austlyn]

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I did not mean to offend anyone just to warn of the hidden danger of abusing fiber, I did go back and read pages 75 and 76, fiber was somthing that Dr. A suggested for induction and he also insinuated that OWL would have enough fiber. HE also bluntly stated that the over use of fiber was extremly dangerous because it depletes minerals from the intentines, important ones. And could lead to failing health. If you follow this woe correctly it is my belief that you can get enough fiber ones with many benefits to your health that will not deplete those minerals such as calcium, maybe even ones that would add some.
So I am sorry if I offended you I am not a confrontational person by nature but I have seen the first hand effects of long term abuse of fiber of this nature. Elderly people with health problems they may never have had if not for it.
Such as artritis and oteoperosis of an early onset you need these minerals for continued health into old age.
There were also at least three other options he recommended as an alternative and was equally behind that had no carb count, things that even had added benefits that physillium husks do not.

[LookingForward]

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Page 76 is indeed what I was taking at face value to believe we're SUPPOSED to be taking fiber supplements. When you say "three other options", are you referring to the flax seed meal, wheat bran and... I don't see the third? I'm just trying to understand if you're saying all fiber supplements will have this possible negative impact or are you specifically targeting psyllium husks? For me, even with my 6g psyllium husks per day, I'm only getting an average of 13g fiber per day. Wouldn't you agree this is far too low and needs to be higher (especially if you consider only 7 are coming from my veggies)? I feel like I eat a LOT of veggies and have decent variety, and yet I only get those 7 average grams of fiber. What CAN I do to increase fiber intake without these potential side effects? Again, I'd really REALLY like to see more information, studies, medical discussion about what you're saying, if you could link me that would be very helpful. Thanks again. P.S. I don't think anyone's offended or confrontational about this, if you meant me, I'm just overly curious and somewhat worried.

[jsj0305]

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I am in the same boat as you are, Looking Forward. I too am very curious about this. I am sure that a new study could have been done after DANDR was published in 2002 that may be indicative of their risks, etc.

Also, I am on Extended Induction, and that's where he recommends it daily. He does mention on page 148, how constipation should not be a problem in the later phases, due to higher carbs=higher fiber. So I am looking at this strictly from an induction POV.

I really appreciate this new info being brought to light....

Perhaps we should move, b/c I think we officially hijacked this thread...Sorry

[Austlyn]

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I am sorry to leave everyone hanging but I am waiting for a response from someone, and I spent all day at the emergency room DD the middle one broke her wrist in school today and I was all day at the emergency room.
I did get a response with some info but not exactly what I wanted, I did go out and type in this search and got both sides of the argument " Too Much Fiber"

What I found out is you should get around 30-35 grams of fiber a day! Above and beyond this it can cause all the food just to slide threw the intentines so quickly infact that your bady has not time to take what it needs as far as essential minerals goes. So I think if you want to risk using a fiber supplement which can also have that effect I would caution that you only use it during induction, cause once you move up the rungs you will get plenty of natural fibers. For example a cup of spinach has 8grams of fiber. MOst people do not even get this so even in induction you are getting more than most. MAintenance will be perfect as far as fiber is concerned. But it is easy to become dependent on this kind of fiber for bathroom use.
Also to caution that you can cause blockage of the intestines if you do not drink adequatley with all this fiber even the kind you eat. Eating your fiber provides benefits that things of this nature just do not, such as added calcium in dark greens. If we eat higher fiber lettuces we will get even closer things like cabbage are almost all fiber and very low in net carb count.

As soon as my person who has a husband dying from this kind of abuse gets back to me I will post the links. Promise or I will at least PM you or if I can not find this I will post a new thread.