Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

[Streetcorner Philosopher]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

oops...my cut and paste didn't work too well I see.

[Brook]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

Brook,
However, there's more to life and more to good health than simply losing weight. Weight-loss is simply a symptom of being unhealthy. I think too many dieters have "weight-loss goggles" on....which causes them to only focus only on losing the weight. What they should focusing on is getting/eating healthy. When you learn to reverse bad eating habits on a regular basis, your health will improve and your weight will naturally drop.

Fair enough, but that's the whole point. Learning to eat properly and choosing a structured plan that teaches them to get and eat healthy is EXACLTY what's going on here. It's a process. Learning to reverse bad eating habits on a regular basis IS most often driven by the need to lose weight. The rest comes to us as a by-product, and when it does, we're ready to learn about it, hear it and accept it. It's a journey, not a destination. I chose Atkins' path, as have the others here. They're starting out learning to do exactly what you're talking about, so I'm not sure what your issue is. I'm not going to judge their primary motivation. Mine was very similar when I started, and it has evolved and changed as I've progressed. Those in this for the long haul often find themselves doing the same thing.

You also have to take into consideration that you..having started out with only 26lbs to lose....had very different issues with food than a lot of the people here. I think it's fabulous that you got your issues addressed before it became 50, 100, or 200lbs. A lot of the people here weren't in the same position to do that for various reasons. - As such, judging their motivation for weight loss is hardly fair. You can not possibly know what it's like to carry 100 extra pounds on your body and what that kind of weight does not only to your physical self, but your emotional self. It's like trying to compare being an occasional drinker to a hard core alcoholic. The only similarity is that it's alcohol - not the drive, motivation or need.

Again, have a great day
~Brook

[ttdriver]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

So sorry Street Corner Philosopher, it's hard for me to take your self-appointment as the ADBB "Nutrition Czar" seriously, when you have shown little grasp of nutritional knowledge or knowledge about the Atkins Diet.

I congratulate you for losing weight by following your own low carb diet. But as the others have said, this is an ATKINS diet board and the advice given pertains to the ATKINS diet. It would be morally and ethically irresponsible if we did not do that.

YAY MEGS!!! AMEN!!

Betty

[cleochatra]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

And I'm glad you found a way to make yourself feel better and I'm glad you found a way to re-think your view on personal nutrition. BUT, many of the people here are still on that journey. Many people here are still trying to bargain their way into eating their children's birthday cake while on the 3rd day of this diet. Many people are still trying to figure out how high carb foods affect their bodies. The anwers we gave to you when you were a newbie and you asked questions were answers that were in line with Dr. Atkin's diet: you asked questions about the Atkins Diet on an Atkins Diet Forum and you were given Atkins answers. No one told you "Yeah, go ahead and eat that hollowed out potato. It probably won't mess up your weight loss." No one told you "Keep on feeding your addiction to soda. It'll be fine, don't worry." No one purposefully gave you inaccurate advice regarding how to do the Atkins diet. No one purposefully misrepresented this diet to you by implying that the Atkins diet was "anti-fruit". No one did that to you. It would be nice if you extended that courtesy to others on this board as well.

Here's what the critics have to say:

"I was moved to applause right where I sat!"-- The Chicago Soon Harker

"The best thing I've seen that made me want to see it again!"-- The Boston Glib

"I gave it 2 thumbs way up"-- Sistern and Cuthbert

[not2late]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

matawguro,

You may be right about your diabetes information. You probably know more about this condition than I do since you helped your mother. However, I went to the American Diabetes Association website (Diabetes.org) and low-and-behold there is a recipe on the front cover for "cranapple crisp" dessert that includes 3 cups of apples.

You failed to mention that recipe serves 8 people. So one person will not be eating 3 cups of apples and 2 cups of cranberries if they are properly following their diabetic diet.

If you think about it, most diabetic associations promote a diet rich in fruits and vegetables to PREVENT diabetes.

Depends on the type of diabetes you're talking about. Some diabetics are diabetic because their pancreas do not produce adequate amounts of insulin. Their diabetes is not "preventable". Some diabetics are diabetics because they have a predisposition to hyperinsulinemia (persistently high insulin levels) and their target organs become desensitized to insulin. And why do they have persistently high insulin levels? Refer to Chapter 24 of DANDR for the explanantion.

Wouldn't it makes since that regular consumption of fruits and vegetables to TREAT it as well? Thanks for the good dialog. SCP

You're making a very, very wrong assumption. A diabetic person does not have a "normal" metabolism because for some reason or the other a diabetic's body cannot metabolize carbohydrates as efficiently or as completely as a non-diabetic person. So, you cannot apply a non-diabetic diet to diabetic. They're metabolisms are too dissimilar. Endocrinologists are beginning to go back to the "old way" of handling the diabetic diet because many people still have uncontrolled diabetes in spite of their diet and medications. The old diabetic diet was a controlled carbohydrate diet in which the patients got the majority of their calories from protein and fat, not carbohydrates like fruits and vegetables.

[Streetcorner Philosopher]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

You also have to take into consideration that you..having started out with only 26lbs to lose....had very different issues with food than a lot of the people here. I think it's fabulous that you got your issues addressed before it became 50, 100, or 200lbs. A lot of the people here weren't in the same position to do that for various reasons. - As such, judging their motivation for weight loss is hardly fair. You can not possibly know what it's like to carry 100 extra pounds on your body and what that kind of weight does not only to your physical self, but your emotional self. It's like trying to compare being an occasional drinker to a hard core alcoholic. The only similarity is that it's alcohol - not the drive, motivation or need.

Brook,

Well, my numbers are actually a bit deceiving. First of all, I was always a FAT kid. I was the one everyone poked at fun at in elementary school. So I grew up with many of the self-confidence problems that many on here are dealing with now. As I got older I sort of grew into my weight a little bit....however, I retained basically ALL my stomach weight. So consequently I walked around with what looked like a bowling ball in my stomach. So finally getting thin was a huge deal for me. It's the first time in my life I've ever experienced real thinness. Also, if you think about it, many people STALL their last 10-20 lbs. These pounds are often the most difficult to lose.

[Streetcorner Philosopher]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

You're making a very, very wrong assumption. A diabetic person does not have a "normal" metabolism because for some reason or the other a diabetic's body cannot metabolize carbohydrates as efficiently or as completely as a non-diabetic person. So, you cannot apply a non-diabetic diet to diabetic. They're metabolisms are too dissimilar. Endocrinologists are beginning to go back to the "old way" of handling the diabetic diet because many people still have uncontrolled diabetes in spite of their diet and medications. The old diabetic diet was a controlled carbohydrate diet in which the patients got the majority of their calories from protein and fat, not carbohydrates like fruits and vegetables.

Not2late,

Then why does the American Diabetes Association say this?

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-research/summaries/anderson-carbs.jsp

Also check out this page from the ADA: Why would they write an article called "Eating fruit can help keep weight off"

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-res...peau-fruit.jsp

I will reinstate myself as czar!

[matawguro]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

You may be right about your diabetes information. You probably know more about this condition than I do since you helped your mother. However, I went to the American Diabetes Association website (Diabetes.org) and low-and-behold there is a recipe on the front cover for "cranapple crisp" dessert that includes 3 cups of apples.

...

If you think about it, most diabetic associations promote a diet rich in fruits and vegetables to PREVENT diabetes. Wouldn't it makes since that regular consumption of fruits and vegetables to TREAT it as well? Thanks for the good dialog. SCP

The whole rationale behind the high-carb diet for diabetics is explained in detail here:


HOW DID THE COMMONLY PRESCRIBED HIGH-CARBOHYDRATE DIET COME ABOUT?


It's a really long read, but simply put, the main reason carbs became the apple of the dietitians eye (pun intended) was because of the belief that came about that fat = bad, protein = bad, therefore the only thing left was carbs which could be regulated with insulin injections. Prior to the availability of injected insulin, diabetics survived on a low-carb regimen without supplemental medication.


The main problem with regulating blood sugar with injected insulin is that it's difficult to tell just how fast blood sugar will rise and how much insulin you need to regulate blood sugar. Too much insulin and the your blood sugar drops to dangerously low levels. The only way to stop this is by ingesting more sugar. This leads to a rollercoaster ride of high and low blood sugar levels which leads to cravings as mentioned in Dr. Atkins book.


Dr. Bernstein and Dr. Atkins agree that the way to stop this roller coaster ride is to limit carbs for diabetics. In this regard, Dr. Bernstein is much more restrictive in what a diabetic can eat than Dr. Atkins. With less carbs, where do diabetics get their energy. Of the three food groups: carbs, protein, and fats, the only one that isn't converted to sugar is fat. That's why both the Atkins Diet and Dr. Bernsteins Diabetes Solution have a high percentage of fat.


Obviously this ruffled the feathers of both the American Diabetic Association and the American Heart Association who believe that fat leads to heart disease and protein leads to kidney disease, both which are prevalent in diabetics. However recent studies have put these assumptions into question.

So if you have diabetes, you have a choice, follow a high-carb diet and let the injected insulin and medication do the work, or go low-carb and live your life without any diabetes medication.

[not2late]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

Not2late,

Then why does the American Diabetes Association say this?

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-res...rson-carbs.jsp

Also check out this page from the ADA: Why would they write an article called "Eating fruit can help keep weight off"

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-res...peau-fruit.jsp

I will reinstate myself as czar!

The information the ADA puts out is behind the times in terms of what endocrinologists are doing for their patients. Pediatricians began telling mothers about the non-nutritive qualities of fruit juice years before the American Academy of Pediatrics put out a guideline on juice consumption in children and teens. Cardiologists were recommending 1 aspirin a day long before the guidelines stated them.


As for the Fruit article, you failed to consider the researchers acknowledged limitations in their "study"

What were the limitations of the study?

Because the questionnaires were filled out from memory, some participants may not have accurately recorded what they really ate.

Another limitation is that the food group information was collected only twice. A study that recorded the same information more often might have more accurate results. Also, the people included in the study were volunteers, and could represent a more health-conscious group.

In other words, "our study is limited to the memories and motivations of our study participants. It might not really be an accurate representation of the facts."

[bizzlekitty]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

For those of you struggling with weight-loss, you must know that losing weight is more than simply counting carbs....it's a bi-product of BECOMING HEALTHY. See, your body recognizes when you are TOXIC. Years of hotdogs, doritos, nachos and root beers have corrupted your bloodstream. This corruption not only occurs in your blood and in your tissues, but also in your individual cells. When the cells of your body become corrupted (toxic), your body attempts to transport them as FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM YOUR VITAL ORGANS by lodging them in your fat! The more toxic you become the fatter you will get! This is simply your body's own defense mechanism. This is why when people go on a DETOX DIET (mostly fruits and vegetables) they almost always lose weight as a bi-product. Fruits, specifically are HIGHLY detoxifying, which means they are good at transporting toxins out of your system. (Grapefruit diet, anyone?)

I have to chime in here. a) I have never binged or ate alot of those "toxic" things in my life. I've never really cared for junk food or sweet soft drinks. However, I had always been trying to eat "low-fat" and that included lots of fruits and veggies as well as carbs, lower protein and all I did was gain weight. I always loved fruit, and it was supposed to be the cure for weight loss and feeling better, right?

Well, like mataguro, I have come to realize that my body also doesn't like the fruit or metabolize it right. When I've tried to add fruits on the fruit rung of OWL (peaches, apples, kiwi), it stalled me and caused cravings. I also used to be allergic to citric acid when I was a child, so perhaps this is related, who know.

What has been detox'ing for me has been getting rid of the carbs. My body isn't like yours, or anyone elses. I don't think any particular diet is going to work the same for everyone. However, I think Atkins, because it eliminates bad carbs and has a definite program for adding them back in through a careful process, is a good program that will work for alot of people, if DONE PROPERLY. It especially works for certain health conditions, like PCOS, diabetes and thyroid, like I have.

Also, people don't lose weight just by "detoxing" with fruits and vegetables, it's also that they stop eating many of the things that are bad for them, and the fruits and veggies are good with nutrition and fill them up with healthier food and curb alot of cravings that their bodies had.

Well, honestly from what I've seen you posting, I'm not exactly sure you're a nutrition czar. We have lots of great healthy nutrition-conscious people here that seem to do a pretty good jobs, in addition to Dr. Atkins himself, who wrote a WOE that not only works, but *is* healthy as well.

[shashee]

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I will reinstate myself as czar!

On whos payroll? Not mine. You may reinstate yourself in your own world, that you seem to be living in. From what I have read on the posts in this thread is that you don't take into consideration EVERYONE's situation, only your own. It all started that you assume we think fruits are bad, no fruits arent bad for YOU, however for some, it triggers excessive eating, along with other things. For example, the only thing I ate was fruit and veggies, for years yet I didnt lose weight, Why because I wouldnt eat 10 grapes, after the sugar kicked in, I would eat the whole container. I need to learn moderation, and what foods are good for ME, just like everyone else does on this board. Last time I looked there wasnt an "I" in team, and thats what we strive to be here on the board. We are all very close, and respect that Everyone is different. Calling yourself a czar.... you may want the meaning..
czar

n 1: a male monarch or emperor (especially of Russia prior to 1917) [syn: tsar, tzar] 2: a person having great power.

Are you a monarch or emperor....... Do you have great power?

We are all individuals, we all have power, but none of us are above another.

Ill leave it at that...

Have a good day N I love ya all, that is everyone that is part of the TEAM.

[MotherOfGizmo]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

Have you ever seen a skinny elephant?

[moongirl]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

Have you ever seen a skinny elephant?

Great point!!

SCP's posts have always sounded like trolling to me... can we appoint him as the ADBB troll?

[ttdriver]

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Great point!!

SCP's posts have always sounded like trolling to me... can we appoint him as the ADBB troll?

I second the nomination!



Betty

[Streetcorner Philosopher]

Re: Have you ever seen a FAT CHIMPANZEE?

Hey trolling's underrated! Besides, I don't mind being called names if it makes you feel better!