The Fat Burning Index?

[Greeneggs&ham]

I just stumbled across this web page and thought it was interesting. Several members of ADBB have previously pointed out that Atkins is not a high protein diet, but rather a high fat diet and that fat is often lacking in posted menus by people looking for reasons they are not losing.

This site suggests that each meal should have at least 1.5 grams of fat for every 1 gram of carbohydrates and protein combined to maintain ketosis:

"However, there's a most important condition grossly overlooked by the authors of low carb diets. Any food is either ketogenic or glucogenic depending on it influence on the competition between glucagon and insulin. To make ketosis possible, a meal should contain at least 1.5 g of fat per every 1 g of protein plus carbohydrate combined.

Only that or higher of a ratio makes food ketogenic enough to allow eating without portion and calorie control. Foods with ketogenic indexes below 1 promote insulin release and are essentially anti-ketogenic. Foods with indexes between 1 and 1.5, though not anti-ketogenic, require calorie control since their ketogenic properties are not strong enough to significantly suppress the carbohydrate metabolic pathway and mobilize body fat for fuel thus causing healthy hunger decrease."

What do you think?

[Elizellen]

Re: The Fat Burning Index?

I haven't followed the link you gave, but from the quote you posted it looks as if they have fallen into the usual misconception of thinking that Atkins is a high protein diet whereas we know it is a high fat/medium protein way of eating with the approximate ratios of 65% fat/30% protein/5% carbs! This is usually possible with equal or slightly more fat grams than protein grams rather than 1.5 times, as fat has 9 cals per gram and protein has 4 cals per gram

[not2late]

Re: The Fat Burning Index?

I just stumbled across this web page and thought it was interesting. Several members of ADBB have previously pointed out that Atkins is not a high protein diet, but rather a high fat diet and that fat is often lacking in posted menus by people looking for reasons they are not losing.

This site suggests that each meal should have at least 1.5 grams of fat for every 1 gram of carbohydrates and protein combined to maintain ketosis:

"However, there's a most important condition grossly overlooked by the authors of low carb diets. Any food is either ketogenic or glucogenic depending on it influence on the competition between glucagon and insulin. To make ketosis possible, a meal should contain at least 1.5 g of fat per every 1 g of protein plus carbohydrate combined.

Only that or higher of a ratio makes food ketogenic enough to allow eating without portion and calorie control. Foods with ketogenic indexes below 1 promote insulin release and are essentially anti-ketogenic. Foods with indexes between 1 and 1.5, though not anti-ketogenic, require calorie control since their ketogenic properties are not strong enough to significantly suppress the carbohydrate metabolic pathway and mobilize body fat for fuel thus causing healthy hunger decrease."

What do you think?

I'm not sure where they get the data about the 1.5 gram Fat to 1 gram carb + protein as being the way to make ketosis possible.

The traditional ketogenic diet (like the one they used to use for diabetics and the one they currently use for seizure patients) uses a 4:1 ratio---- 4 grams fat to 1 gram carb + protein.

[not2late]

Re: The Fat Burning Index?

Forgot to add...

The information in that blurb still supports a "high fat" diet, rather than a high protein one. Because the 1.5:1 ration can be broken down to

1.5 fat: 0.5 carb: 0.5 protein
1.5 fat: 0.6 carb: 0.4 protein
1.5 fat: 0.4 carb: 0.6 protein
1.5 fat: 0.2 carb: 0.8 protein

The bottom line is no matter what variation you use, it's still high fat because the ratio is 1.5 gram fat to every 1 gram of carb + protein.