Atkins vs. Kimkins ?

[copgrl]

I need a some clarification, on Kimkins they are proponents of low cal, low fat, low carb...saying you lose the fastest using low fat. I've found if I count back on my fat it sorta stalls me, but for some it seems to work fast? Why is it important to have fat to get into ketosis rather than lower fat?

I've been kinda wavering back and forth not sure which one will work best.

Thanks!

[momtomany1]

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It was my understanding that Kimkins had been debunked as a legitimate diet, but an internet morbidly obese hoaxster by the name of Heidi who took advantage of scores of persons and damaged their health? Please flee the likes of this and just do real, legitimate Atkins.

[Slapshot]

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Why is it important to have fat to get into ketosis rather than lower fat?

Dr. A. explains this beautifully in his book called Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution, 2002 edition.

[SunnySmile501]

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The creator of Kimkins, Heidi Diaz, AKA Kimmer, is now involved in a class action lawsuit against her in the state of California. She never lost the 198 pounds in 11 months on "Kimkins" like she claimed. She was and is a grossly obese person and a scam artist.

Many people were scammed by this unhealthy diet and many have irreversible health problems from attempting the diet.

I went a few rounds with her on another low carb board where she posted, and she is a really nasty person. She threatened to sue me for slander and libel, but see whom is not the one being sued.

Stay far, far away from any diet where you eat as little as 500 calories a day. It promotes starvation and laxative abuse.

The Kimkins Diet appeared on a website online in April 2006. The diet was created by 'Kimmer' (Heidi [Miller] Diaz of Corona, California), who claimed to have successfully lost 198-pounds in 11 months and to have maintained that loss for several years by following her own diet. The website gained popularity when Woman's World published a feature on the diet and its creator 'Kim Drake' (one of numerous aliases used by Diaz) in their June 12, 2008 issue.[1] Within days of the article, the website signed up thousands interested in the diet at a rate of $59.95 each.

While the diet is promoted as a low-carbohydrate diet, the menus provided reveal an ultra low-fat, very low calorie diet (vLCD) starvation-level diet, that offers typically less than 800-calories each day, with some menu plans offering 500-calories or less per day.
Soon after the Woman's World article and the explosion of memberships at the website, rumors started to crop up on various websites, forums and blogs claiming that the diet was dangerous, unhealthy and that 'Kimmer' (Diaz) was not being truthful about her own weight loss. A private investigator was hired by a former business associate and he produced pictures of a 300+ pound woman, suffering from alopecia and morbid obesity. The rumors were confirmed, Heidi Diaz had not lost 198-pounds and was morbidly obese[2].

This led to speculation about the pictures that appeared on the Kimkins website that were said to be Heidi Diaz (Kimmer). What followed is an excellent example of crowdsourcing. A large number of individuals online in forums answered that question when it was revealed that a many of the 'after' photos appearing on the Kimkins website were taken from Russian bride websites to highlight entirely fictitious "success stories" of supposed customers. Within days of the first photo of a non-existent customer success story, the infamous supposed 'after' photo of the woman in the red dress that was claimed to be a current photo of 'Kimmer' (Diaz) turned out to be yet another Russian bride photo of Lesya, a woman 20 years the junior of Diaz. The after photo that appeared in the Woman's World article was also determined to be from a similar source, another Russian bride photo, but that of yet another young woman other than 'red dress' Lesya.

A lawsuit was subsequently filed as a class-action against Heidi Diaz. Assets in excess of $1 million dollars US held in a PayPal account and other assets of Diaz were frozen by the court in November 2007. The suit is still in progress in the Riverside County Court in California. The attorney for the class-action is John Tiedt, who is representing the class of individuals in the civil lawsuit. Heidi Diaz has filed a counter-suit against a number of the plaintiffs in the class action and others who used to be affiliates promoting the diet website. Despite a desperate attempt by Diaz to block further progress of the lawsuit by filing for bankruptcy in January 2009 following a change in her legal counsel, the lawsuit was nonetheless subsequently certified as a class-action by the court the very same week when neither Diaz nor her new counsel appeared at a scheduled hearing.

The Kimkins certified class obtained the bankruptcy law services of Scott C. Clarkson of Clarkson, Gore & Marsella, APLC, and on March 27, 2009, Diaz's bankruptcy was dismissed by the Bankruptcy Court for the Central District of California, with a 180 bar against refiling.

Kimkins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Click this link to see the surveillance photos that busted her:

slamboard Blog Archive Surveillance Pics of Heidi Diaz (Kimmer) at the Kimkins.com Post Office Box

[imagood1]

Re: Atkins vs. Kimkins ?

my best friend was on Kimkins for awhile -- what she found from the website after she paid her admission fee was many people were eating 500 and less calories per day -- no fat, L O W carb and very little variety - she lasted 2 weeks and lost 8 pounds. Two days after she went back to eating normal food she was up 6 pounds so a net total of 2 pounds for starving 14 days.

When I told her and showed her what I ate during my 14 day induction on Atkins she was amazed that I had lost any weight. 30 pounds later for me -- 8 pounds (again) later for her....she is ready to switch to Atkins so she can eat and enjoy her food.

I wouldn't go to Kimkins -- I've seen what it is and wasn't impressed. Plus Atkins is free!

[SunnySmile501]

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Ketosis is the "secret" to quick weight loss on Atkins Induction. The only way to get into ketosis is the ratio of fat to carbs. Fat has to be high and carbs low. Excess protein can be turned into glucose and stored as fat. Atkins is high fat, moderate protein and low carbohydrate (not no carb).

[Slapshot]

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Sunny - thanks for the explanation. I didn't have time to explain (and shouldn't have posted, then, I know!) My response above could be construed as snippy, and I didn't mean it to be....

[Georgiana]

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As many unfortunate dieters have discovered, the original Kimkins eating plans are not healthy, because they lack the fat and calories necessary to sustain the human body. If you start from Kimkins and modify the diet to a healthier version of itself, then you get something that is better... but it's not Kimmer's diet anymore.

I need a some clarification, on Kimkins they are proponents of low cal, low fat, low carb...saying you lose the fastest using low fat. I've found if I count back on my fat it sorta stalls me, but for some it seems to work fast? Why is it important to have fat to get into ketosis rather than lower fat?

Ketone bodies are produced when the amount of acetyl-CoA resulting from the beta-oxidation of fatty acids is higher than the amount that is able to enter the Krebs cycle. But because the body still needs to produce energy, it will take the acetyl-CoA molecules and combine them with other molecules to convert them into ketone bodies. These ketones will then be used for energy by different tissues in the body.

Low fat, low carb Kimkins. On a low calorie/fat/carb diet, your body does not have enough dietary resources to get the fatty acids it needs for energy. So what it will do is break down the only other energy source left available, which is lean body tissue (not something you want!). The resulting amino acids will then be packed into acetyl-CoA and thrown into the Krebs cycle to produce energy molecules.

Back to fat. No matter what your body fat percentages is, it is impossible to get from fat cells alone the minimum healthy amount of fatty acids. Fatty acids are needed in prostaglandins production (for regulation of hormones, cell growth, blood pressure, fertility, immune system, nervous system, etc.), so you need dietary fat and an above-starvation level of calories as part of any healthy eating plan

[liv]

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I cannot believe that woman is still allowed to do that. She is such a fraud.
And when that diet was in she made people destroy their thyroids and metabolism for life. It was awful.

[not2late]

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I cannot believe that woman is still allowed to do that. She is such a fraud.
And when that diet was in she made people destroy their thyroids and metabolism for life. It was awful.

That's why, I would rather follow a diet by Atkins, the Eades, Ornish or Weight Watchers because these diets have a basis in science---not someone winging their way through a diet or modifying Atkins into their own diet.

Also, people like Kimmer prey on the vulnerabilities of others. For example, overweight people want to lose weight and lose it "fast". Kimmer and others like prey on that and take advantage of that. I don't know if Kimmer's motivations were strictly monetary or if she torpedoed people because she couldn't lose or didn't want to lose weight herself, but it's really disgusting that she would take advantage of people like that.

[Neecy]

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As of today, after many delays (including Heidi filing for bankruptcy to avoid this,) the lawsuit against her and the Kimkins diet has been re-certified as class action.

More info here: Prudentia