All Perfect People Stand Up!

[Streetcorner Philosopher]

ttdiver,

You make it sound like everyone is as perfect as you. Who never cheats. THATS my point. By reading through these posts in here, it seems that no one ever cheats. No one ever has a bite of a forbidden food. No one ever does anything wrong. All I'm doing is pointing out that this is a tall order to fill for someone like me who initially stops by to see what Atkins is all about.

By the way, if you're running 1000 miles per year, THAT's probably why you've lost weight! ANYONE who runs that much is going to certainly lose weight...no matter what they eat.

Also, it's funny how all these Atkins dieters who say they no longer have ANY cravings for carbs, yet many are going hog-crazy at Walmart and grocery stores by purchasing "Low-CARB cookies" Low-carb candy, waffles, crackers, pasta....YOU NAME IT! Don't tell me NO ONE has cravings for this stuff. I'm living in the REAL world. The world where you can have a morsel of something wonderful -- if you choose to make up for it later in the day.

[AllieCat0817]

100% CHEAT FREE 23 MONTHS AND COUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND HAPPY!!!!!!!!!! AND SATISFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET OVER IT, and why are you here????????????????
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A. I don't believe you. As the person below you said: No one's perfect
B. I'm glad you are happy and satisfied.
C. I'm here to share my experiences like you.

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It doesn't matter whether you believe me or not dude/dudette. I'm not perfect either, but I don't eat sugar or refined carbs as a personal choice. That has nothing to do with perfection. My imperfections are MANY. I am impatient, selfish, want things to go my way all the time, etc. I can go on and on with my flaws. There are many things in this world I can not control. The one thing I can control is what goes in my mouth and my health. So I control that. That's all it is, not hardly perfection.

And cheat-free on Maintenance is a diff thing than cheat free on Induction. Again, no sugar or refined carbs for me, that's all. It ain't that serious or deep.

Seriously, good luck to you and I apologize for the snipiness and nastiness in my previous posts to you. Each person gotta do what works for them.

[ttdriver]

ttdiver,

You make it sound like everyone is as perfect as you. Who never cheats. THATS my point. By reading through these posts in here, it seems that no one ever cheats. No one ever has a bite of a forbidden food. No one ever does anything wrong. All I'm doing is pointing out that this is a tall order to fill for someone like me who initially stops by to see what Atkins is all about.

AHEM...All I said was if you want to cheat, go ahead. You have that right, same as those on this board have the right not to.

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

Betty

[Streetcorner Philosopher]

Alliecat,

Thank you. That was nice of you to say. I'm also sorry I got you adn everyone else worked up (including myself). You've done well with your weightloss. Keep up the good work. S-C-P

[AllieCat0817]

I am very guilty of getting way too worked up over threads like this. It's not worth getting worked up over, ya know? Seriously. I have had to take a step back and really recognize what it is-- the internet.

We're all on a personal journey. I do what works for me, and absolutely each person has to do what works for them. We're all coming from different walks of life, different economic backgrounds, different childhoods, etc etc.

Like a good friend always says 'keep on keepin on, what else would I do?'...

Take care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AllieCat0817]

SCP, can I ask if you are male or female? For some reason I am assuming you are male.... I do know that males DO get away with alot more than females do... able to eat more higher carb things etc. Just wondering..

[matawguro]

I do know that males DO get away with alot more than females do... able to eat more higher carb things etc.

Hehe, not this male, though I wish it were true for me. :anger

[not2late]

Alright. I haven't called anyone a liar. Just because I don't believe someone could go 23 months without a bite of something sugary or starchy, does not mean I'm calling them a liar. Heck, I could be wrong. But wrong is different than calling someone a liar.

Pam, First you say you make mistakes every day. Then 2 sentences later you say you haven't cheated in 4 months. I'm confused.

The whole reason I brought this up was this: I have visited this site on and off for many months. And as a fringe Atkins dieter, I've read many of the posts from people on here who talk about not ever cheating....but to me that is kind of a turn-off for the whole plan. In fact, that may be why Atkins gets a bum rap in the press. Because alot of people almost treat it like an inflexible religion.

Don't get me wrong. I understand when you eliminate sugar and carbs from your diet that you stop craving them. But for a newcomer to learn that in order to be successful you must NEVER have nor should ever WANT these foods again is a bit intimidating.

I just wanted to make a point to a few who might accidentally indulge in a Hershey's kiss now and then that they aren't weird and they actually CAN STILL lose weight. I'm proof that it can happen.

Also, it's funny how all these Atkins dieters who say they no longer have ANY cravings for carbs, yet many are going hog-crazy at Walmart and grocery stores by purchasing "Low-CARB cookies" Low-carb candy, waffles, crackers, pasta....YOU NAME IT! Don't tell me NO ONE has cravings for this stuff. I'm living in the REAL world. The world where you can have a morsel of something wonderful -- if you choose to make up for it later in the day.

I think you're confusing having cravings and resisting them and having cravings and giving into them---those are two different things.

During my Induction and the early part of OWL, I had cravings for things like fruit, kidney beans (haven't a clue why) and things like that. I think my particular food cravings were not the sugary "candy-like" stuff, because I wasn't a sugary carb person to begin with. I never liked cakes, candies, etc. because they were too sweet for me. In fact, whenever I used to make anything like that, I used to cut the sugar amounts by half because I didn't like the sticky sweet full-sugar taste. Really sweet stuff gives me stomach aches. I'm not a big bread eater either. So, cakes, cookies, chocolate, pies, bread, pancakes, muffins, waffles, etc. never did it for me and still doesn't. That's why I can drive past a Dunkin Donuts and not feel the urge to run in a cram a dozen jelly donuts into my mouth.

My carbs of choice were the starchy carbs (with the exception of bread) and those are the carbs that I crave/craved. Early in my WOE, I couldn't walk down the potato section of the grocery store. I couldn't even walk through the pasta aisle of the store because my stomach would start growling and howling.

However, I didn't give into my cravings because I know myself---one taste for me would have thrown me off course. It's an individual thing. If you work better not straying off plan, then that's the decision you might have to make in order for you to see results. If you work better "straying off" plan occasionally, then with the Atkins diet in particular, I think you should read your options in OWL and consider moving onto the phase that will allow you greater freedoms in terms of food choices and possibly a personal carbohydrate losing level greater than 20 net carbs daily. I've said this before and I'll say this again, nothing is so sad as to read a post in the Extended Induction forum where the person is bummed out because they ate a slice of cantaloupe or a spoonful of three bean salad because these foods are legal during OWL.

Now, I'm at a point in the diet, where I can eat some of the starchy carbs I want without feeling guilty or feeling the need to justify my actions. And as I wrote in your other thread, I had a some potato last week and last night because I can during my stage of OWL. It didn't make me happier. It wasn't a profound experience. It was just potato---nothing special about it for me anymore.

As for being able to eat an occasional Hershey's Kiss, etc and still lose weight, I don't doubt that can be the case for some (many) people at all. We each have a level of carbs our bodies can eat and still lose weight. I can eat 40 net carbs and still lose weight. Loonatika can eat over 100 net carbs and still lose weight. So, I'm pretty sure if Loona would want to eat a slice of pizza, she would still lose weight. I probably can too, because the average slice of pizza is about 20-30 net carbs. I saw your menu in your other post. From that I have a feeling you are in Loonatika's high carb tolerance camp.

In terms of portion control, Dr. Atkins never said you can stuff yourself like a Thanksgiving turkey and still lose weight. The vegetable, cheese and cream limits on Induction are examples of learning portion control. The OWL carb ladder with its 5 net carbs of food---again, another example of learning portion control. The fact that ketosis is a natural appetite suppressant, is perhaps the greatest example of learning portion control on this WOE. Sometimes I do think that Dr. Atkins should have said "limit meat portions to 4 ounces per meal", but he didn't because I think he wanted us to relearn our bodies natural cues for satiety.

[spazzyhilo]

Also, it's funny how all these Atkins dieters who say they no longer have ANY cravings for carbs, yet many are going hog-crazy at Walmart and grocery stores by purchasing "Low-CARB cookies" Low-carb candy, waffles, crackers, pasta....YOU NAME IT! Don't tell me NO ONE has cravings for this stuff. I'm living in the REAL world. The world where you can have a morsel of something wonderful -- if you choose to make up for it later in the day.

I just wanted to throw my two cents in with this bit -

the majority of these people who buy the low carb cookies are more than likely doing a low carb diet, but not doing atkins. or if they say they are doing atkins has probably not read DANDR. These foods are considered frankenfoods and are a known causer of stalls. I prefer the wholesome foods over an atkins bar anyday

[AllieCat0817]

Also, it's funny how all these Atkins dieters who say they no longer have ANY cravings for carbs, yet many are going hog-crazy at Walmart and grocery stores by purchasing "Low-CARB cookies" Low-carb candy, waffles, crackers, pasta....YOU NAME IT! Don't tell me NO ONE has cravings for this stuff. I'm living in the REAL world. The world where you can have a morsel of something wonderful -- if you choose to make up for it later in the day.

I just wanted to throw my two cents in with this bit -

the majority of these people who buy the low carb cookies are more than likely doing a low carb diet, but not doing atkins. or if they say they are doing atkins has probably not read DANDR. These foods are considered frankenfoods and are a known causer of stalls. I prefer the wholesome foods over an atkins bar anyday

Or they're just not willing to give up crap. But that's their choice. I know PLENTY of Atkins and just low carb people who prefer whole unrefined unprocessed food. There will always be people, lowcarbers included, who want junk.

[Pam_C]

Let me just clear one thing up. I said I make mistakes everyday. Yes. I drop a glass or forget something at the grocery store or forget to call someone when I am supposed to. And the list goes on. I don't eat sugar or starches and have no need or want too. Like I said I make mistakes just not with what I eat. I am glad you can eat what you want and again ike I said I ate a bunch of crap one day about 6 weeks into this WOE and only gained 1 pound so I could if I wanted to but I don't. Thats a choice of mine. I am happy.
Oh and I made one more mistake I said I wasn't going to post anything else. So that was my mistake for today. Have a great day and looks like your close to goal.Way to go.

[Streetcorner Philosopher]

Alliecat,

Yes, your instincts are correct. I would be 37 year old male. I'd love to post a picture of myself but I can't seem to find one of me that's small enough in pixels. If someone knows where I can find directions on picture posting, I would appreciate it.

[ttdriver]

Yes, your instincts are correct. I would be 37 year old male.

Ya know, come to think of it, I made plenty of mistakes in my 30s where my eating habits were concerned which is why, at age 46, Atkins became a life-changing, health restoring, energy-enhancing way of life for me.

You see, what you can 'get away with' in your 30s changes drastically when you hit the big 40 and beyond. Now that I'm closing in on 50, I dare to think how big I'd be had Dr. Atkins not crossed my path.

Your metabolism slows as you age, trust me. One day you will understand and appreciate the fact that the flexibility you had at 37 you will no longer enjoy without it showing.

Betty

[spazzyhilo]

If someone knows where I can find directions on picture posting, I would appreciate it.

I use photobucket.com to download my pics. They give you a link that you can use for sites and everything after you download a pic.

[ciaobella]

Your metabolism slows as you age, trust me.

or for somepeople (ie me) never got off to a running start in the first place :no