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    Warning, this is a bit of a vent and a rant.

    Im so fustrated right now, I wish I had never heard of candida. After reading through a lot on this forum, I have to say I have sufficent reason to beleive that this has been my major problem for years now. I've always suffered from reactions, usually manifesting themselves as sinus issues, shortness of breath, drowsiness and a lack of concentration after eating a number of foods, and no doctor has been able to put their finger on it. The allergist said its a reaction to sulphides, and there's no way to gauge easily what foods contain them. I stumbled upon the chapter on yeast in DANDR 2002, and I immediately noticed that for the first time ever, I was looking at a list of all the foods I start feeling this way after eating. I did the spit test this morning, just to be sure... definately a floater (although it didn't get stringy).

    So I should be thrilled that I've finally fingered my problem and have the means to a solution, right? Absolutely. However, im fustrated and disappointed, because after a month of restrictive eating in my extended induction, just when I was saying "hey, ive found a large amount of food I really enjoy and I CAN do this diet long term," I find out that if I really want to fix this problem, I have to cut out about half the foods that were the only way I was getting through induction without going mad. Everything I make has cheese in it, cheese curds are my snack food. I live every morning for my mock danish with its 2 oz of cream cheese and packet of splenda (my only AS for the day most days mind you). ham and cheese omlettes... salads with copious amounts of vinegar, chicken salad with a fair amount of hot sauce... yum. And string cheese!! my savior whenever I have a hunger pain here at work. And now, if I want to fix this... all those foods gone. Grr. Its almost made me want to walk away from the whole diet and go get a dozen doughnuts, because I can't deal with cutting out every single food I enjoy.

    I'm also fustrated because of the incredable lack of information and actual studies done on this, to know if I should take any of it seriously. I do have to say that it looks like everyone here has done an incredable job of collecting data on the subject to share. However, so much of that data sounds speculative that it really makes me wonder. The spit test... do we know ANYONE who doesn't have floating spit? How do we know the test is accurate if everyone turns out positive? I could say that everyone with red blood suffers from some rare fungal ear infection that gives children ADD that doctors have never detected, and since everyone has red blood, we must all have it. Doesn't that seem a bit questionable to anyone? And then there's the acceptable food list to starve the yeast. Dr. Atkins says cream cheese and unaged cheese is fine, other sources say to cut out ALL dairy. What's in dairy that feeds the yeast? Lactose? There's lactose free milk and cottage cheese, so those should be safe... but im sure there's disagreement over that. Butter is taken from cream which is taken from milk... so its twice removed from any sort of lactose source. Alcohol... distilled spirits are PURE alcohol, no yeast or remmants of the aged liquids left... so unless the yeast feeds off the alcohol itself it should be fine, but pages im seeing are saying that its the yeasts and microbes in alcohol, but I still can't have spirits (distilled alcohol like vodka, tequila, etc.). Additionally, there's no good estimate that ive seen of how long I can expect to keep my diet under these super-draconian conditions... ive seen two weeks, three weeks, six weeks and I think I read six months somewhere... am I taking the supplments for that long? am I re-introducing food into my diet? Someone said to test to see if I got rid of the issues by taking brewers yeast, shouldn't I be able to do the spit test again if that's accurate? The supplments themselves... someone mentioned rotating them, so i have to buy three different ones? Has anyone really managed a cure? What do I do to make sure the problem doesn't come back? grr, I miss my vinegar already.

    I know im being a bit unreasonable right now, im just completely fustrated at the lack of information or plan of attack on this. Like I said, its very tempting to just give up and go back to my old life and WOE... I have no idea what im going to eat at work every day. One site said I have to cut out mayonaise... that would just kill me. All I eat is chicken salad, egg salad, tuna salad... ugh.

    Im thinking that my most reasonable solution is to come off of atkins while Im doing this... obiviously it would almost be like doing pre-maitnence or OWL anyway since all the junk foods are cut... but at least then I could snack on baby carrots, have enough almonds to keep myself satasified, and not watch my veggie intake in respect to how many carbs im taking in. I can only handle so much at once, and once this is cleared up I'd have no problem doing a clean induction... the first one was easy haha.

    I'm not usually this much a whiner... I think right now I just feel like my rug's been pulled out from underneath me. I had such a good plan to get through the next six months on this WOE, and now the room's been flipped over...
    Mark

    Male
    Height: 6'1"
    Start date: April 24th, 2006

    299.6 / 285.2 / 200
    Extended induction

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    Re: Fustrated

    well you can keep looking at it like that or you can say WOW I CAN GIVE US SOME STUFF SO I CAN GET BETTER AND THEN HAVE IT AGAIN!

    reread the forum you can use orgainic apple cider vinegar with anticandida plans. you can make hot sauce by placing washed hot peppers crushed up in a bottle with the vinegar.

    You can use the ACV to make mayo too or you can use lemon juice if your body can handle it.

    You can make acceptable butter by heating your butter and removing the scrum. this is called clarified butter and is a pure fat.
    Cheese that is aged is exposed to molds and if you eat them on an antiyeast plan you are reinfectingyoureslf with every bite.

    If you can get clean with it Dr Atkins allows cream cheese on his anti yeast plan. some folk can use that and do well other have to use the gold standard diet.

    Once you get cleared of the yeasties and re-estabilsh your healthy gut bacteria levels you can start reintroducing foods one at a time in a controlled manner similar to OWL to see if your body can handle the forbidden foods now. some can and some can't.

    So get your antifungal, your probiotics, and your paln and have at it.
    by the book atkinseer

    started 6/1/02 at 313
    goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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    • #3
      Re: Fustrated

      I know what the truth is lol... I just needed to get that off my chest. Hence the warning at the beginning lol. I am going to ease up my carb limit while I do this though, I have to find an acceptable snack food while I cut the cheese (hahaha). baby carrots (as long as I don't overdo it) and almonds I think would do it for me. Im still working out a plan, im not going to start for another week at least... I had to mentally prepare myself for two weeks before I made it for my first sucessful induction, I need to tackle this the same way.
      Mark

      Male
      Height: 6'1"
      Start date: April 24th, 2006

      299.6 / 285.2 / 200
      Extended induction

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      • #4
        Re: Fustrated

        Originally posted by agent0014

        I did the spit test this morning, just to be sure... definately a floater (although it didn't get stringy).
        Are you sure you have yeast. Doing the spit test if it doesn't get stringy or float to the bottom within an hour you are probably yeast free. I copied this from another post for you to see.

        Spit Test
        Simple Home Candida Test:
        Try this simple test to see if you have a candida yeast infection. First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, get a clear glass. Fill with water and work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water. Check the water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour. If you have a yeast infection, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy" saliva will sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be suspended in the water.

        If there are no stings and the saliva is still floating after at least one hour, you are probably yeast infection free.

        Try the test again tomorrow before you go through all the trouble for nothing.
        My hubby & I in the Smokies!




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        • #5
          Re: Fustrated

          I misspoke slightly... it didn't make a move towards the bottom, but it expanded and got cloudy. I'm going to do it again tomorrow though, since I don't work weekends... I only have about 20 mins between when I get up and when I leave on weekdays... mornings and I just don't get along.
          Mark

          Male
          Height: 6'1"
          Start date: April 24th, 2006

          299.6 / 285.2 / 200
          Extended induction

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