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    Hi everybody, I am an overweight person being treated for depression - like so many of you who visit this forum. There is a very important matter I would like to bring up - partially for my own benefit, but I am sure others will be drawn to this issue as well.

    As you know, depression is a disease of the mind and body. While the body aches, the mind will throw every bit of evidence to your attention why you should be depressed. For those of us who are overweight, being fat becomes a primary focus of much of our depression.

    I had been suffering from depression and being overweight for a good portion of my life. When I was 22 years old, I decided that I would once and for all, lose all the weight and would finally achieve happiness. This was the very first time I found the Atkins WOL, and I was very successful in losing close to 40 lbs. over the course of the year. I was not successful, however, in losing the depression. Sure, at first I was very happy with the weight loss, but soon enough the depression came back - and I was actually uncomfortable with a thin body.

    Yes, that is right. Soon after a real nasty bout with a major depressive episode, I started seeing a psychiartrist who also offered psychotherapy. The combo of medication & me going off the Atkins WOE caused me to balloon back to my heavy weight, and then some. And as quick as I was to blame the medication (and the medication did rightfully deserve some of the blame) I was surprised with what the therapist pointed out as the real culprit.

    Self sabatoge due to unrealistic & body images & associations.

    So many of us see weight loss as the ultimate answer to our problems. Some of us hide behind the weight as an excuse not to particpate in certain life activities, others actually believe they embody the concept of being fat (in other words, I don't have a weight problem, I AM the weight problem) So that upon achieving a goal weight or physique, we believe we will literally become different people, better people.

    In my case, I suffer from both these psychological issues. I use my weight as an excuse for not participating in social events, and that one day - when the weight is gone, I will. I also have been heavy my entire life, and believe that when I lose the weight, it will be much more than a transformation of size, but of self. Both misconceptions set me up to fail. It did last time, and I am working on stopping them from setting me up this time.

    You see, after the weight is lost - all the anxieties over social situations and body image remain. ESPECIALLY considering that I associated myself with being heavy, and not just that I had a weight problem. My therapest pointed out that many people who are overweight suffer from this issue. Some of us become even ashamed of our weight loss, of the sudden attention people start giving us upon seeing a healthier, slimmer us.

    Basically what I am saying is, be good to yourselves. Lose the weight to be healthier and look good. But if you are suffering from *clinical depression*, like me, try and recognize any misguided thoughts believing weight loss as the solution to all your problems. It can only set you up for self sabatoge when the weight is lost, but your demons remain lurking.

    I know I plan on losing this time around, and keeping it off while learning to be comfortable with myself, fat or thin! And I'll be visiting here alot to make sure I do!
    MALE
    5"6
    230/230/170

    IN KETOSIS SINCE 8/28/2009!




    "What will happen if the children of the world discover the link between eating well and feeling good??" - Homer Simpson



















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    Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

    thanks for sharing.

    there is a great post in the womens section called psychological obesity and it talks about how we hid from our problems in our fat coat and the need to deal with the problems so we can shed our fat coats.
    by the book atkinseer

    started 6/1/02 at 313
    goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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      Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

      Originally posted by 2big4mysize
      thanks for sharing.

      there is a great post in the womens section called psychological obesity and it talks about how we hid from our problems in our fat coat and the need to deal with the problems so we can shed our fat coats.
      Thanks 2Big. I must have missed that thread because I am not female. I assure you, I am the most masculine of males Yes, even we of the opposite sex have body issues.
      MALE
      5"6
      230/230/170

      IN KETOSIS SINCE 8/28/2009!




      "What will happen if the children of the world discover the link between eating well and feeling good??" - Homer Simpson


















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        Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

        First of all, great thread! Just love it!

        Second, I stupidly assumed you were female too.

        SORRY!
        Dawn
        Female - 42 years old

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        • #5
          Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

          maybe if you ask Kent he can sneak the orifinal post over to the boys forum. i always thought it was in the most memeorable topics forum but some admin yrs ago moved it to the womens forum.
          by the book atkinseer

          started 6/1/02 at 313
          goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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          • #6
            Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

            Thank you, FBB... you are so right with this. I've had similiar experiences in the past, and I so agree that a weight problem can often hide other underlying problems that must be dealt with, because we tend to focus so much of our frustration toward the weight problem and blame it for everything.


            I must say, it meant a lot to me to see a man post this... it reassures me that it's not just a female problem, but a human problem, something I'm sure a lot of people, with the obesity epidemic, are facing in the United States right now.

            Thanks again for your post.
            No stats. Not weighing anymore ever. Will post "before and after" pictures when I want to. The end.

            Vigilance, not perfection.

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            • #7
              Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

              Originally posted by Jerzaka
              First of all, great thread! Just love it!

              Second, I stupidly assumed you were female too.

              SORRY!
              LOL, don't worry. One of the great things about these boards is honesty without fear of judgement. Of course I realize depression and body images are much talked about female issues, but its really not gender specific. I was surprised to learn from my therapist that he treats MANY men with the same issues - although the physique we aspire to have IS MUCH different than yours

              Fat is fat, depressed is depressed. We're all human, and we all relate to each other. As far as I am concerned with the anominity board posting gives us, we have the chance to not only help ease our depression and weight problems - but also learn a little something about us & others as well!
              MALE
              5"6
              230/230/170

              IN KETOSIS SINCE 8/28/2009!




              "What will happen if the children of the world discover the link between eating well and feeling good??" - Homer Simpson


















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              • #8
                Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

                Changing,

                Well said!

                Can I second that?
                Dawn
                Female - 42 years old

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                • #9
                  Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

                  Originally posted by Jerzaka
                  Changing,

                  Well said!

                  Can I second that?
                  But of course!
                  No stats. Not weighing anymore ever. Will post "before and after" pictures when I want to. The end.

                  Vigilance, not perfection.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

                    Originally posted by changing
                    I must say, it meant a lot to me to see a man post this... it reassures me that it's not just a female problem, but a human problem,
                    Yes, it is most certainly a human problem - I suppose its the price we pay for being so self-aware. And in my humble opinion, NO ONE is more self aware than somebody who is physically different than others (see overweight individuals).

                    When we associate ourselves with being overweight, are teased for being overweight (and teasing can come in many many many forms) we associate our poor self-image with being fat. Eliminate the fat, you eliminate your worries right? Nope.

                    In fact, next to not being able to change old eating habbits, I would say this could be one of the leading causes to us regaining our weights (for those of us STAC members). For me - I actualy felt guilty being thin - as if I was fooling everybody into thinking I was somebody I wasn't. And after trying to "fly under the radar" for so many years, I was terribly uncomfortable with the attention that dramatic weight loss brings you. I even resented it. And I firmly believe that there was a part of me that was actually TRYING to re-gain the weight once I went off Atkins.

                    This is why I was so thrilled to find that the ADBB had an entire forum dedicated to depression - something I am very familiar with, both from battling it & from studying about psychology. I think its very important that anybody suffering from both weight issues and depression issues - are most likely suffering from atypical depression (emotional eating, oversleeping, severe rejection sensitivity) which makes them likely candidates for this issue.

                    And I just wanted to let everybody know they were not alone (and to make sure that I was not alone either )
                    MALE
                    5"6
                    230/230/170

                    IN KETOSIS SINCE 8/28/2009!




                    "What will happen if the children of the world discover the link between eating well and feeling good??" - Homer Simpson


















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                    • #11
                      Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

                      Jeesh, FattyBoomBatty, you sure know how to lay it on the table. The truth is, it is all very real truth, I know, as I'm realizing reading your posts here that I've been in denial on these truths, like they've been in my head all along all my life and I jus't pretend they don't exist.

                      Thanks for the blatant warnings. The day could come when I no longer obsess about and relate all my thoughts and activities to my weight issues may come, but my psychological dependence on that has been a crutch for so long, I could find myself a total social wreck without it.

                      Thank for the therapy and practice at becoming a new person mentally during the physical transition!!
                      ~Susan
                      49/f 5'7" Start 2-27-06 SW222/11-18-09 @ 160-ish/G135-150ish??

                      Doin Miles, Flights, & Kid Ketchin'...
                      2 Ab Chal's; 6WEC#27 slug-Free; & more; 50# LOST in'06-
                      but regained ~20# in '07 in less than 3 weeks! And again early '08 ...Was in HEAVEN -got to 150, for awhile, then got too busy, and gave in too much... and... OK holding pattern "keep it together..."

                      .................OMG how did I fail AGAIN
                      (((on temporary break)))
                      Sigh ... I'll be back... life isn't always fair 10-07-09

                      "Goal: First you have to dream of it. Then you have to do it." Author unknown

                      sheesh

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                        Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

                        Originally posted by boonie stomper
                        Jeesh, FattyBoomBatty, you sure know how to lay it on the table.
                        Well if not here & now, Boonie, then when & where?


                        Originally posted by boonie stomper
                        The truth is, it is all very real truth, I know, as I'm realizing reading your posts here that I've been in denial on these truths, like they've been in my head all along all my life and I jus't pretend they don't exist.
                        Only you know whats in your own head, I was speaking from my personal experience. But if certainly sounds like you have caught yourself in some thinking patterns that are similar to what I mentioned. Good for you, because recognizing these thoughts is a huge step in feeling better!

                        Originally posted by boonie stomper
                        Thanks for the blatant warnings. The day could come when I no longer obsess about and relate all my thoughts and activities to my weight issues may come, but my psychological dependence on that has been a crutch for so long, I could find myself a total social wreck without it.
                        during the physical transition!!
                        Right! If you use weight as an excuse NOT to go do something, and suddenly you have no more excess weight to use for that excuse, you might find yourself in a situation where you seek to regain that weight to get back some sense of self (I know that it seems like a weird concept, but it happens - trust me).
                        MALE
                        5"6
                        230/230/170

                        IN KETOSIS SINCE 8/28/2009!




                        "What will happen if the children of the world discover the link between eating well and feeling good??" - Homer Simpson


















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                        • #13
                          Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

                          From FattyBoomBatty:
                          So many of us see weight loss as the ultimate answer to our problems. Some of us hide behind the weight as an excuse not to particpate in certain life activities...
                          This is a great thread! You guys are all right on the money.

                          I believe that everyone has dreams or 'knowings' that speak to their spirit and tells them who they really are, and what their purpose for being here is. Often, our greatest fear is to actually pursue these things that are spoken to our spirit because we fear rejection and ridicule from others. These 'knowings' are so deep down and personal that we are afraid to expose our true selves, so we sabotage ourselves by taking detours.

                          These are some ways in which we detour:

                          Being overweight
                          Being underweight
                          Being under-educated
                          Remaining under-employed
                          Remaing in a negative relationship (any type)
                          Making certain life choices because 'people' said you should do this and not that
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                          • #14
                            Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

                            EXCELLENT thread, and insightful contributions. Thanks FBB and all who took the time to comment. It feels great to know you're not alone in this particular boat.


                            S.


                            Female/31/5'4'
                            SW - 178
                            CW - 153
                            GW - 143

                            Mini-goal1: 163 by April 29, 2006 - CHECK!
                            Mini Goal2: 153 by August 15, 2006 - I DID IT!!! Aug. 6/06
                            Final Goal : 143 by September 15, 2006

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                            • #15
                              Re: Something Important All Us Losers Need To Remember

                              Originally posted by 2big4mysize
                              there is a great post in the womens section called psychological obesity and it talks about how we hid from our problems in our fat coat and the need to deal with the problems so we can shed our fat coats.
                              That is me. I've hid in my fat coat my entire life. It is worn out... it's time it came off....


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