For my daughter, advice for dealing with lows ...

[ErinB]

She is an adult diabetic, type 2. After watching me with growing interest over a year, seeing my progress and how I ate, she made the decision about a month ago to get rid of caffeine and most really high carb foods (for her that was mostly diet soda with aspartame and caffeine, chips and chocolate) and then start Atkins.

She drinks nothing but water, plenty of it. She chooses her induction foods wisely, follows the rules. She hasn't lost a pound.

Why? She cannot tolerate any of the usual meds prescribed for type 2 diabetics. They cause severe gastrointestinal issues. So, her doc has her on insulin.

The good news is that she has been needing to reduce the insulin every few nights since she started. The bad news is, of course, this is because of the blood sugar lows. Instead of using chololate for these times, she has been using glucophage, but that adds about 12 carbs, the wrong kind of carbs. I suspect this keeps her from getting into and staying in ketosis.

I mentioned to her I think I have read that diabetics on Atkins have used legal induction foods to counteract the lows, so a couple of mornings ago she used zuchinni to deal with a low. She said it took longer to recover from it, but she felt much better afterward than she does when she uses either chololate or the glucophage.

Could any of you give advice as to which induction legal foods have worked best for you in this situation?

[atkinsgal08]

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I don't have diabetes, but advice that I have read is:

"The focus of the Atkins approach is blood sugar regulation. So, the answer is yes, you can overcome high and low blood sugar using Atkins. The reason for this is because protein, fat and low-carb veggies have the least effect on insulin and blood sugar, which means they will not cause your blood sugar to go too high or drop too low. However, even when following Atkins, it is important for you to eat three meals and two snacks or six small meals daily to regulate blood sugar.

If you are taking blood sugar lowering medication you will need to work closely with your doctor to lower dose and most likely take you off the meds. Do not try adjusting medication without medical supervision. The need for blood sugar lowering meds is diminished on Atkins.

Until the right dose is found, or before you are taken off meds, be alert to the signs and symptoms of the onset of hypoglycemia for the first few days of Atkins and if you feel it is necessary, select higher carb foods that will not interfere with the program. These could include tomato and cheese, broccoli and other higher carb veggies, nuts and seeds or a half cup of tomato juice."

Your daughter might also want to read Dr. Atkins Diabetic Revolution.

How are you determining that she's in or out of ketosis? If you're relying on ketosis strips, know that they are not reliable. One can be "in ketosis" without changing the color of the strips ... and changing the color of the strips doesn't mean one is doing Atkins properly.

Since she's diabetic, it may take her a while to start losing ... her body may need to "correct" some things before that happens ... it's good that her blood sugar is becoming regulated ... focus on the positive things that are happening ... and let weight loss come at its own pace.

[ErinB]

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I really am not "determining" she is out of ketosis. I'm guessing. She hasn't used the sticks.

No worries about her having a great attitude about this. She does! In spades!

She expected it would take time to lose. What she did not anticipate is how good she would feel and so soon! She is rejoicing about that, believe me.


As far as increasing/decreasing her insulin, she is trained to do this for herself, always has. She can't run to a doctor every time that insulin needs to be adjusted. He does not expect her to do that. She would be in very serious trouble if she kept the dose steady when it needs to be changed.

Thanks for the suggestions in regard to foods to try when combatting those lows.

[atkinsgal08]

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>> really am not "determining" she is out of ketosis. I'm guessing.>>

Then I'm not understanding what your wrote about ketosis in your first post.

The quote above was written to a specific person ... but the advice about working with one's doctor about medicine changes is sound ... and is even in DANDR. As your daughter has experience, that's a good thing.

Hope some of the food suggestions work for her.

[ErinB]

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>> really am not "determining" she is out of ketosis. I'm guessing.>>

Then I'm not understanding what your wrote about ketosis in your first post.

Actually, I said, "I suspect this keeps her from getting into and staying in ketosis." I was saying I "suspect" this is the reason she hasn't lost anything, not that I had "determined" it as fact.

I agree, in most scenarios, it is the doctor who needs to increase/decrease prescribed meds. I wouldn't think of changing my thyroid hormone dose myself, for example. I would increase/decrease my diuretic dose, however, as I have been instructed to do so and when to do it by my doctor.

It is a different deal, likewise, for a diabetic treated with insulin. To manage this it is very important they know how to do the math to determine how to do this themselves.

There is a sticky in the Diabetic Reading subforum which addresses this, including the need to decrease insulin as one progresses on this WOE.

I'm sure the suggestions will help. Again, thank you for responding.

[atkinsgal08]

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Being in ketosis is no guarantee of weight loss.

[ErinB]

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Yep, I've been doing this for about 16 months. I'm aware of that.

I'm not all that educated about a diabetic following the plan, though. That's OK. Daughter is smart and she'll figure it out. I just thought I might be able to help her (busy person she is) by getting some suggestions about which foods to eat to bring her out of those lows when they occur.

We're definitely not whining here, just trying to learn.

[atkinsgal08]

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>>I'm not all that educated about a diabetic following the plan, though.>>

What I know is from reading other people's experiences ... perhaps you could help your daughter by reading Dr. Atkins Diabetic Revolution?

[ErinB]

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I meant to say thanks for the book suggestion, too. I don't think I was aware of the existence of that one until you mentioned it.

[atkinsgal08]

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You're welcome!

[ErinB]

Re: Advice for dealing with blood sugar lows on Atkins...

Could any of you give advice as to which induction legal foods have worked best for you in this situation?

Anyone with experience doing this, do some foods work better for you than others?

[ErinB]

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Since it appears nobody else has experience dealing with quite what my daughter does, I thought I would give an update.

She is finding success with this WOE, with the decreased need for adding insulin because of the lowered blood sugar readings and also with the weight loss. For a low blood sugar, she finds a veggie such as snap pea pods (work more quickly than zucchini) brings her back to normal and she doesn't feel miserable the rest of the day like she did with glucophage. Yay!

And the best part is the weight loss. The first couple of weeks were rough for her because she kept having low blood sugar readings, kept having to deal with those. She has fewer of those now and a better way to deal with them. After two weeks of induction she had only lost two pounds, but at the six week mark she was down 12 pounds. She has now started workouts at the gym, so she is on her way.

Beyond all that she feels better than she has felt since long before she was diagnosed. I would say she is already one more living proof this WOE is a good thing, probably even a life saver, for diabetics.

[MelTin]

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Thanks for the update. I feel that we need to get this message out to a lot of diabetics.

[liv]

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That is great to hear Erin. So good that she stuck with it.
You are such an inspiration to all of us too.

[imagood1]

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I take metformin morning and evening -- it's a slow process getting the weight off but it's something I know I need to do and have to do to keep my diabetes on an even keel.

I was diagnosed Type 2 last year - my A1C was 10.3 - in January of this year I started Atkins and had good success until I started screwing myself up (my fault not the plan). My last A1C was 5.0 so my diabetes isconsidered under control but because of other health issues I'm still on meds and probably will be for quite some time.

This past Monday, after being ill for a couple weeks, I finished reading the book again and was re-focused to do it correctly this time and get ALL of my health issues in check.

When I have had low blood sugars I can always feel them coming on (I can almost tell what my number will be before I do a check with my meter) - I eat celery with cream cheese, a cheese stick, a pickle wrapped in cream cheese & ham or something along this line. I tried just eating a salad or having a handfull of vegetables but I have better luck when I eat a protein and fat together.

Sorry no one was able to help you then you were here asking for help. As far as the keotsis sticks, I have never gotten them to change color so along with others on the site don't really believe in them.

Hopefully your daughter will learn how to regulate her meds so she can keep from having low sugar levels -- mine happen so infrequently now I had to stop and remember what I ate when it happened. Much luck to her.