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  • Why doing low intensity cardio is a waste of time

    That's right, a waste of time. That got everyone's attention. Of course walking slow is better than sitting on the couch, but the purpose of this thread is to help people who have no clue about cardio.

    Basically, in order to maximize your fat burning, you need to know what your maximum heart rate is and you need to do your cardio in the range of 75-80% of that. This is known as your target heart range.

    Basically, if you do low intensity cardio, you will have a low post-exercise increase in your metabolic rate (a.k.a. afterburn effect or "excess post-exercise oxygen consumption" ("EPOC).

    This means that the EPOC will be so tiny that its effect on fat loss is almost nothing (hence a waste of time). In fact only about 10-30 extra calories are burned after exercise at an intensity of less than 60-65% of maximal heart rate. This is a huge piece of information that you should learn from. This means that a casual stroll on the street or treadmill will do practically nothing to increase your metabolism.

    The piece of good news is that EPOC increases with the intensity and duration of exercise. This is why you always hear that you should be doing your cardio in the target heart range (75-80%). This would result in burning an EXTRA 75 calories (due to the afterburn effect) AFTER you do moderate paced cardio (as opposed to slow/low intensity cardio). Yes, your body continues to burn fat after your cardio session is over.

    That is an extra 75 calories each day. It all adds up over the course of a week or two.

    Please also keep in mind that the benefits of doing weight training have even a better EPOC (burning about 100-175 calories just in EPOC).

    So, of course you will burn fat DURING cardio, and you can slightly increase the fat you burn AFTER cardio by increasing the intensity and duration. However, just keep in mind that weight training is even better for the afterburn. That is why is is best if you can do both cardio and weigh training. If you can't then at least do some exercise, which is better than just sitting on the couch.

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    Okay, now for fat-burning, I thought you were supposed to stay at 60-75% of your max heart rate. The reason for this being that higher than that your muscles need energy NOW to keep working and if it can't find glycogen it will turn to protein to burn because it is easier to break down protein than fat. If you work out at a lower intensity, 60-75% max heart rate then your body won't go into this catabolic state and it will have time to breakdown the fat because it isn't in 'crisis' mode. So you will actually burn more fat at this pace then at a faster pace.

    I understand that if you work out at higher intensity that you will, of course, burn more calories and have more of an 'EPOC'. But are some of those calories that you are burning during the exercise muscle?

    I actually asked this same question (or close to) in the sticky on this board called "Fat-buring exercise" (or something like that) and no one answered me...or at least gave me any reason for their answer. You can check that out too to see if I make more sense in that post then this one. lol
    Stacy
    Started 2/5/04
    5'5, 34 y/o
    (highest weight 306) 286/232/140

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    • #3
      Technically, the less active you are, the more that you burn yoru calories from fat. However, we are pretty darn inactive when we are sleeping, so most of the calories that we are burning come from fat, but I think we all will agree that we are not burning many calories.

      You make a good point and if you cannot work out harder and bring up your heartrate, then keep doing it in 60-75% because it will burn more of the calories from fat.

      However, if you work out harder, then not only are you burning more calories, you also get an afterburn effect, where your metabolism gets raised (letting you burn even more calories hours later).

      Also "catabolic" is not a bad thing. If you want to lose fat, you MUST be catabolic, because you WANT the body to use reserves for energy and "break it down."

      In general the body is always breaking down muscle tissue.

      So what you should focus on is keeping your nutrition clean so that you are able to recover. I would focus on that rather than on than what percentage of protein you are burning during the workout.

      Bottom line, if it works for you - keep doing it. If you have reached a plateau, try what i suggest and see if that helps break your plateau.

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      • #4
        For what my opinion is worth (granted, not much..), I think changing things up is good for EVERYONE .. our bodies tend to get in a rut and sometimes by shaking up the routine, it keeps our bodies guessing and we end up breaking a stall!

        In other words, don't always do the same exercise the same way at the same speed ... don't always eat the same stuff over and over ...

        Betty
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        • #5
          Thanks guys! Well, I was exercising at about 85-90% of my max heart rate...which didn't take much btw, I'm very out of shape! But then my sister pointed out that I'd probably be better off working out at a lower intensity to burn fat.

          But working out at 70-75% is actually fairly easy and consequently...boring!

          My plan right now is 3 days a week cardio at 70-75% heart rate and 3 days a week strength training on my bowflex. I do a total body workout and it takes me approx. an hour.

          I would like to do different cardio as ttdriver mentions and I may work up to it. For now, though, I'm so badly out of shape that it doesn't take much for me to over do it.

          Maybe one of those 3 days I could rev up my cardio a bit just to increase my endurance and improve my cardiovascular health...and to mix it up a bit.

          Thanks for the replies!
          Stacy
          Started 2/5/04
          5'5, 34 y/o
          (highest weight 306) 286/232/140

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          • #6
            Stacy, keep up with your exercising and before long, being out of shape will be a distant memory!

            Hon, I was the world's laziest couch potato before Atkins (funny, I was shaped like one too.. ensive ) Anyway, I started SLOW and kept it up .. well now I run 32 miles a week!

            So if I can persevere, so can you!! Cheering you all the way!

            Betty
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            • #7
              well thereare some problems with that max heart rate stuff. the biggie being fat burning uses one set of chemicals and protein/sugar burning uses and other. If you get your intensity up too high you will release glycogen stored in organs which need insulin to burn and that shuts of fat burning as the fat burnihng chem glucagon is in a negative feed back loop with the insulin.

              so while your extra cals are burning for that short time after your exercise program is over you are in that free amino acid pool for glucose fuel and not body storage fat for fuel through beta oxidation until the blood sugar falls back down to the levels needed to stimulate the glucagon production to liberate the fatty acids from the storage cells.

              This is why fats for fuel work well in long distance running but not in sprinting



              Roserae look at the HIIT high intensity interval training programs. they are not boring as you are constantly changing speed every minute and that has the best according to the studies fat burning resluts of all workouts.

              AS Betty said you will be amazed at how fast you get in better shape have have to increase your speed or incline just to get your heart rate back up to the rate you have picked as your exericse target.

              I was a flat 2 MPH walker when I started and now I'm 4.5-7.5 MPH incline 7 walker for 60 min doing my HIIT stuff. I will always because of my knees be a penguin wantabe but I'm very close tro walking my 5Ks in under 30 min Soo you too will be a formewr penguin wantabe.

              Happy low carbing
              by the book atkinseer

              started 6/1/02 at 313
              goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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              • #8
                I was a flat 2 MPH walker when I started and now I'm 4.5-7.5 MPH incline 7 walker for 60 min doing my HIIT stuff.
                THAT IS TOTALLY AMAZING!!! 2big, you never cease to motivate and inspire me (and so many others too!)

                YOU ROCK!

                Betty
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                • #9
                  shucks walking is easy :yes now running and jogging I can't do :sadblinky
                  by the book atkinseer

                  started 6/1/02 at 313
                  goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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                  • #10
                    Only a matter of time ... believe me ... take it from someone who thought running was only for ATHLETES ... I am far from that!

                    I'll never be FAST ... :nono but I am PERSISTENT... and I know you are too!

                    Come on down to Florida and we can jog slowly together... :guns

                    Betty
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                    • #11
                      Yes, I've seen people doing "HIIT" on the exercise challenge, but haven't really checked into it. I'll see what I can find out.

                      ttdriver...did you get my pm about the polar heartrate monitor?
                      Stacy
                      Started 2/5/04
                      5'5, 34 y/o
                      (highest weight 306) 286/232/140

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                      • #12
                        Before you jump into HIIT, take a look at the thread that I wrote (I think it is on the next page) called something like "Truth about HIIT"

                        HIIT is not for everyone, and the EPOC benefits are not as amazing as some would have you believe. For instance, i think it is better to do 4-6 days of cardio at a steady constant pace and have 3 days of weight training, rather than 4-6 days of HIIT.

                        Besides, HIIT is very demanding.

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                        • #13
                          Yes, I'm probably not ready for HIIT. I'm just enjoying learning about the different exercises and programs right now...so thought I'd better take advantage of my desire to learn! Ha!

                          Right now, I'm going to do 3 days of each for a total of 6 days of exercising. Doing 4 days of cardio now would mean two exercise sessions in one day or no days off, neither of which I'm willing to do right now. Plus I think I would burn myself out. Slow and sure for now. Thanks!
                          Stacy
                          Started 2/5/04
                          5'5, 34 y/o
                          (highest weight 306) 286/232/140

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                          • #14
                            Sorry, Stacy .. I just now responded to your PM ... Hope it helps! Great plan with the exercise!


                            :hug

                            Betty
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