A challenge to orthodoxy

[Labarum]

Would someone better informed than I like to sign up to this forum and contribute to the discussion?

http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread.php?p=1857883#post1857883

[not2late]

Couple of things these guys don't quite understand....

Elliot P. Joslin, MD a noted endocrinologist in the US circa early 20th century, was the first doctor to use a ketogenic diet to control Type 1 Diabetes. In fact, before insulin was widely available the ketogenic diet was THE standard of care for Type 1 Diabetes. Anyhow, Joslin's diet was a 100 carb gram or less diet. He picked 100 grams because it was at or below 100 grams his patients began producing detectable urinary ketones.

Diabetic ketoacidosis is what that other poster vaguely refered to. That's a state in which the diabetic becomes acidotic. In other words, the acidity of their blood increases. This is a life-threatening event. Atkins' ketosis is a "benign dietary ketosis"---blood pH stays "normal".

Another thing they, like many others, fail to acknowledge is all of us have our own carb losing level. Mine is 40. Loonatika's is over 100. So they're at fault for thinking that the Atkins carb level is no more than 20 for all phases of the diet.

Atkins quotes a study down on long distance runners. It's in the section of the book about the "myth of carb loading".

[Labarum]

Well, not2, are you going to sign up and put then straight.

For my part, I have to figure out how many carbs I need to do all this cycling - 30 miles today - its a Bank Holiday here in England.

I have had my first apple in a year 30g of dark chocolate and 100g of died apricot on top of normal and I am deep deep purple which I dont often see.

You will see from the postings that Badhabit tops up with liquid carbs as he cycles.

[2big4mysize]

looks like they are supporting you and it is you who are not following your Atkins. Trust Dr Atkins and just eat your normal atkins and enjoy your rides. The head of Atkins Nutritionals does the Iron MAn eating ANA and runs ultra marathons. Think you are going to need more fuel then he does?

The body can't store carbs as fuel for long endurance events so it has to be refueled through out. We have very abundant fat fuel storage to do the rides you are posting about.

Eat your Atkins at your carb level you are doing your phases on and don't worry about running out of fuel until y0ou actually do.

You will be amazed at how far you can go on your Atkins. you will hit metal fatigue way before you hit actual muscle fatigue. you know it is metal caue if your best bud said hey I got tickets ot whatever your favorite sporting even it but we have to go right now suddenly you have all the energy you need to get ready to go when just minutes before you thought you couldn't go another step.

[Labarum]

2big, you are a true believer!

I am trying to get them to justfy their orthodoxy, and data our board can provide must challenge them. I know some run many miles on Atkins, but it is good to know we have some marathon Runners.

What is the Iron Man Eating ANA?

And me? I have increased my carbs, but my keto sticks turn darker purple than they have ever done. I am clearly still in ketosis. I have not lost any more weight since starting to cycle, but I have lost at least an inch round my middle - that's where most of the fat now is - on mybelly and hiding in the small of my back.!

No, 2big, I am not about to desert!

[2big4mysize]

Good Dr Stuart Treguar is the orthopedic doc who was an overweight runner yrs ago and his fellow runners told him about Atkins. he was skeptical tried it met with Dr Atkins and lost weight and got in great shape. He was on Larry King talking about running the Boston and NY marathons too.
He is a skinny fellow now but he still eats Atkins still and they now call it Atkins Nutritonal Approach to sound cooler I guess or ANA for short.

if you are high carb eating then you have to keep stoking the fires while your ride as we do not store carbs inthe bosy as carbs for endurance usage carbs are totally gone for all reserve sites within ab9ut 15-20 min of the onset of vigorous exercise. Then either you refuel before that time limit, you switch to fat burning and get a second wind so to speak or you bonk.

Fat fueled folk can go much longer because even the skinny folk have several pounds ofr fat sitting there ready to yield up cals for energy when activated by the fat burning chemicals. There are some studies that show refueling at the 40 min mork with some carbs and fats will increase their endurance even more but that was a snall study done on elite bikers doing time trials not recreational bikers running about the country side.

Whoile engaging in vigorous exercise can increase our daily carb total you really need to keep it in line with your CCLL and use the carb ladder foods to supply those carbs too. Ican do 110 net when working out and Loonatika can do over 100 and still lose. I don't know how many Dr Tregraur eats but he is running bikeing and swimming as part of his trainiing plus his med practice too.

Most folk could ride all day doing an Atkins approach and be just fine but the fear of bonling will caUSE YOU TO OVER FEED YOUR oops it the caps key. It takes very little cals to power a bike with all the gears now adays and remember you are ony using leg muscles too.

Good for you getting your exercise going enough to burn off those fat deposits. now keep them going remember when you load a carb you are storing fat toill those carb cals are burned up and 100 grams is 400 cals of carb fuel to burn off while it takes only 44.5 grans of fats to give you the same 400 cals.

Happy low carbing.