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  • Oh dear! A little cry for help...

    Oh boy! Just when I was relaxing into maintenance and anticipating a delicious WOE for the rest of my life… a nasty little surprise: bloodwork.

    About nine months before starting Atkins my bloodwork was good, apart from a very, very slightly raised cholesterol… nothing to worry about, according to the doctor, who didn’t suggest any diet changes or medications at the time. I can’t find those old results, more’s the pity, and doctors here in Italy don’t keep them. I don’t remember the exact figures of any of the cholesterol groups. Oh well…

    After ten months on Atkins I thought it about time to have new bloodwork done, and was blithely convinced that my cholesterol levels would be way better. Got the new results yesterday.

    Oh dear!

    Well… in ways they are terrific, and in other ways just awful:



    Total cholesterol: 270 (Shock! Horror! Never seen anyone on this board with a total that high.)

    Trigs: 47 (Yay!)

    HDL: 96 (Yay!!!!!)

    LDL: 165 (Shock! Horror!)

    Ratio: 2.8 (Yayy!!!!)



    So… seems to me that the good is very good and the bad is pretty damn awful! But if I read Dr A correctly, the cardio risk is probably good. (I hope!)

    Problem is…here in Italy no one has ever heard of Atkins, and the doctors are all firmly locked into the low fat mind bend. Can’t have the pasta industry collapsing, after all!! Tomorrow or Friday I’ll take these results to my doctor… and I anticipate a battle royal, as he’s bound to want to put me on meds to reduce the total and LDL. Groans.

    Now, I’m in a quandary: I don’t want to take meds. I love Atkins because it allows me to eat things I adore: plenty of meat, veggies, eggs, cream, butter and cheese. Fish I eat (tuna) often for lunch, and other fish about twice a week, but am not really a huge fan of fish. I already cook almost exclusively with olive oil. I exercise 35 mins a day and walk the dogs (brisk up hill and down dale stuff) also 35 mins a day, making more than an hour a day (every day!). No time for more… as it is I get up at 5.30 to get that in.

    I don’t mind tweaking my menu a little (emphasis on the a little)to exchange some sat fats for more healthy varieties, but I really don’t want to be scared and overly conscious of whatever I put in my mouth (apart from carbs). If I have to do without carbs and also too many of those delicious fats… I’ll be miserable.

    Have to say that now, I’m a little scared. Today I didn’t have my usual two eggs for breakfast. Instead I had a measly half cup of cooked oats (11 carbs… and I only eat 40-45 a day!) and a quarter of avocado. It was miserable. Oat bran, according to my carb book is over 25 g carbs for a cup (cooked!)… and you need one cup a day, apparently to improve cholesterol. That would only leave me 15-20 carbs for the rest of the day…

    Sorry to sound so whiney… but have to admit I’m very disappointed. My main fear is that if I have to make substantial changes to the way I eat, I’ll get discouraged and fall off the wagon for good.

    Any thoughts or help would be enormously appreaciated!

    I seem to remember Betty saying somewhere that she had some good links regarding the ‘cholesterol myth’. If you’re reading this Betty… I’d be very interested and really appreciate your passing them on.

    Thanks pals

    Sal
    Before and after:






    PLEDGING FLIGHTS
    Completed: 1st set of buildings and mountains (Everest,M.Blanc & Kilimanjaro, twice); Tower Masts & Chimneys; More virtual buildings; Challenger's Choice x 2 (volcanos and mountains on Mars). Currently climbing: Mount Snowdon again: 416/475

    Start 10 Jan 2005. Maintenance since Aug. 2005.
    F/56yrs/5'.4"
    SW:77.7 LW:56.5 CW:60.1 (kilos)

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    Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

    okay first breath
    Thoase are not too bad numbers you are lightly high on your LDL but there are now known at least 2 different types of LDL and only one is bad. You also have because you too have raised your HDL so much your ratio is very very good they hope you have a ratio between 3-5 with anything above 5 as bad and you are out the bottom end.

    Try Flax seed as the fiber for lowering your cholesterol less carbs and many more omega3s the good for your cholesterol.

    Any repeat any soluble fiber will asssit in lowering cholesterol as what it does is bind up the cholesterol and the bile satls in the intestine and shove it out the back end. This in turn causes the body to make more bile (which is made from LDL) and drops the LDL level lower.

    Doctors are now discovering that C reactive proteins are actually a better indicator of heart health then cholesterol. As your doc to have that test run.

    MY LDL was up too at my 6 month vheck up and I changed my sat fat level intake to lower amounts and increased my flax seed meal. I also upped my resistance exercise.

    Also as females reach menepause LDL goes up and stays up are you getting close there
    by the book atkinseer

    started 6/1/02 at 313
    goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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    • #3
      Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

      Phew 2big! Many thanks for your words of wisdom. Much appreciated.

      Re flax...yes, I eat a couple of flax crackers daily (about 1 tablespoon falxmeal). Will try to up this, but I know that when I double it, I get the runs! Will think about other fibres too, like wheat bran, perhaps.

      And... yes, I'm slap bang in the middle of the menopause, with hot flashes and TOM appearing only once every few months... so that probably isn't helping at all, judging by what you say.

      The C reactive protein test is a new one on me. Will try to translate it and run it by the doc.

      Thanks again, so much, for the comfort!
      Sal
      Before and after:






      PLEDGING FLIGHTS
      Completed: 1st set of buildings and mountains (Everest,M.Blanc & Kilimanjaro, twice); Tower Masts & Chimneys; More virtual buildings; Challenger's Choice x 2 (volcanos and mountains on Mars). Currently climbing: Mount Snowdon again: 416/475

      Start 10 Jan 2005. Maintenance since Aug. 2005.
      F/56yrs/5'.4"
      SW:77.7 LW:56.5 CW:60.1 (kilos)

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      • #4
        Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

        don't worry too much then you know it isn;'t Atkins it is Mother Nature.

        You want souble fiber not wheat bran. you body can develope a tolerance for falx to with repeated use. peas have a good fiber. nuts like almonds and walnuts help too. Soy is supposed to be good for both the female and the LDL.
        by the book atkinseer

        started 6/1/02 at 313
        goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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        • #5
          Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

          Ok 2big...gotcha! Will go for the soluble fibres then. And peas...yum! Haven't had any in ages...so now I've got a good excuse!

          Re soy... do you, or anyone else, know anything about soy lecithin? I've heard of people taking it for cholesterol issues....piqued my curiosity now. Tks...

          Sal
          Before and after:






          PLEDGING FLIGHTS
          Completed: 1st set of buildings and mountains (Everest,M.Blanc & Kilimanjaro, twice); Tower Masts & Chimneys; More virtual buildings; Challenger's Choice x 2 (volcanos and mountains on Mars). Currently climbing: Mount Snowdon again: 416/475

          Start 10 Jan 2005. Maintenance since Aug. 2005.
          F/56yrs/5'.4"
          SW:77.7 LW:56.5 CW:60.1 (kilos)

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          • #6
            Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

            I am deadly allergic to soy so I avoid it like the plague. you have been eating it and didn't even know if if you have ever has something made by mixing a solid into a liquid as it is a very very good dispersal agent in food making. Halls cughdrops even contain it.
            by the book atkinseer

            started 6/1/02 at 313
            goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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            • #7
              Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

              Well... after all that concern, I got the thumbs up from the doctor yesterday. He wasn't concerned about the ldl, because of the ratio and the hdl, so phew!
              Tks again 2big!
              Sal
              Before and after:






              PLEDGING FLIGHTS
              Completed: 1st set of buildings and mountains (Everest,M.Blanc & Kilimanjaro, twice); Tower Masts & Chimneys; More virtual buildings; Challenger's Choice x 2 (volcanos and mountains on Mars). Currently climbing: Mount Snowdon again: 416/475

              Start 10 Jan 2005. Maintenance since Aug. 2005.
              F/56yrs/5'.4"
              SW:77.7 LW:56.5 CW:60.1 (kilos)

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              • #8
                Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

                see I told you you could breath good for your doc but do try to get more soluble fibers into your Atkins cause the less you got the less their is to make artery plaque.

                Oh did you know the only way to rid your body of it is to excrete it as bile or shed it in the memebrane of the skin cells you shed each day.
                by the book atkinseer

                started 6/1/02 at 313
                goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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                • #9
                  Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

                  Yep! You're right! Doc also said to add some soy, but that I could otherwise carry on eating the way I have been, which is great. Was worried that if I had to make too many changes, I'd get disheartened and feel deprived, (something that on Atkins, by and large, I've not felt) and give up as a consequence. Anyway... have upped my flax, added soy, and will stick with some oatmeal for breakfast...giving those extra carbs a try, as I also had an unexpected whooshie after seven weeks maintenance! Seems the old CCLM's moved up a bit!

                  All's well that ends well! Thanks again!

                  Sal
                  Before and after:






                  PLEDGING FLIGHTS
                  Completed: 1st set of buildings and mountains (Everest,M.Blanc & Kilimanjaro, twice); Tower Masts & Chimneys; More virtual buildings; Challenger's Choice x 2 (volcanos and mountains on Mars). Currently climbing: Mount Snowdon again: 416/475

                  Start 10 Jan 2005. Maintenance since Aug. 2005.
                  F/56yrs/5'.4"
                  SW:77.7 LW:56.5 CW:60.1 (kilos)

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                  • #10
                    Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

                    actually you want oat bran ( loweres LDL almost 40%) not oatmeal ( only lowers it 9%)

                    Bklack soy beans are a great low carb food if you like the taste if not there is lots of soy in those kasha go lean cereals.

                    Happy low carbing
                    by the book atkinseer

                    started 6/1/02 at 313
                    goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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                    • #11
                      Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

                      Just ordered the oat bran this morning... the shop's out right now...so oatmeal for a few days then onto the bran. Will give the black soybeans a try... I like most beany things. Have also upped the nuts a bit too. Attack on all fronts! (chuckles)
                      Sal
                      Before and after:






                      PLEDGING FLIGHTS
                      Completed: 1st set of buildings and mountains (Everest,M.Blanc & Kilimanjaro, twice); Tower Masts & Chimneys; More virtual buildings; Challenger's Choice x 2 (volcanos and mountains on Mars). Currently climbing: Mount Snowdon again: 416/475

                      Start 10 Jan 2005. Maintenance since Aug. 2005.
                      F/56yrs/5'.4"
                      SW:77.7 LW:56.5 CW:60.1 (kilos)

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                      • #12
                        Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

                        oh and i forgot tofu is a great get your low low carb food too
                        by the book atkinseer

                        started 6/1/02 at 313
                        goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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                        • #13
                          Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

                          I'm sorry, Sal, I just NOW read your post!!

                          Your numbers are FINE .. its the ratios that matter most and yours are GREAT! Congrats on the outstanding HDL!!! SUPER DUPER!! The LDL is not a concern. The TOTAL is never a concern because your high HDL affects the total!!

                          Here are the links you'll enjoy.


                          http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cho...ol_myth_1.html
                          http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cho...ol_myth_2.html

                          I do take flush free niacin for my LDL .. you can buy it cheap at Walmart and its taken my LDL from 177 to 119. No side effects either. Can't hurt!

                          Oh and eat your eggs! They are a terrific source of so many good nutrients!

                          Betty
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                          • #14
                            Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

                            Wow! Thanks so much Betty. That's one truly awesome study! Amazing.

                            Yesterday I googled (or yahood actually) "the great cholesterol myth". Surprising the amount of articles there are that squash the "sat fat is bad for you" theory, etc. What started out as a mild panic for me, has turned into quite an education! I'd never thought much about cholesterol levels before. All very interesting... and reassuring. I do love my sat fats! Oh... and eggs too.

                            Re niacin... will ask around as I'm not sure you can get it here in Italy.

                            Thanks again for a really fascinating read!

                            Sal
                            Before and after:






                            PLEDGING FLIGHTS
                            Completed: 1st set of buildings and mountains (Everest,M.Blanc & Kilimanjaro, twice); Tower Masts & Chimneys; More virtual buildings; Challenger's Choice x 2 (volcanos and mountains on Mars). Currently climbing: Mount Snowdon again: 416/475

                            Start 10 Jan 2005. Maintenance since Aug. 2005.
                            F/56yrs/5'.4"
                            SW:77.7 LW:56.5 CW:60.1 (kilos)

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                            • #15
                              Re: Oh dear! A little cry for help...

                              be very careful wwith that niacin. The amount needed to affect cholesterol is enough to cause liver damage and those taking it on their doctors recommendation also have blood tests done to monitor that.

                              over 75% of the cholesterol in your body is self produced which shocks a lot of folk. The new US commercial talk about it being from 2 sources your diet and your relatives meaing genes.
                              by the book atkinseer

                              started 6/1/02 at 313
                              goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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