I FEEL LIKE CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Day 12

**DarlingBri** · September 18, 2009, 02:44 PM

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I can't believe I'm telling a doctor this, but:

First of all, correlation ≠ causation. Even people doing Atkins get sick. Is it possible you have a low-grade flu, random virus or something exotic and interesting? Because that seems like very lingering induction flu.

Second of all, are you drinking enough water? Are you taking a multi-vitamin?

Third of all, do you want to post a menu (or if you're using FitDay, a link would help with your nutritional breakdown.) You cannot cut out all plants but we may be able to help you cut other things stalling you.

Finally, are you taking any other medications? Are you peri- or menopausal?

And re metabolic memory, yuppers - it's harder for everyone the second or third time. You may be in for a long haul but there are people here who have been climbing rungs and steadily losing for a year and they are succesful and well fed!

**Alice J** · September 18, 2009, 03:35 PM

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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! I was feeling like an orphan here. Thank you, thank you, thank you - I appreciate your time and effort.

I'm post menopausal - had everything out six years ago. No meds whatsoever - I am taking 2 multivitamins daily right now b.c. I normally eat TONS of produce. I know you can take too many vitamins, but this is temporary, so...

Drink lots of water - in menopause I'm hot and thirsty a lot.

A virus? You clever lass! That is excellent detective work! Alas, I'm not lucky enough to be sick. It's just me.

'-b

I did think about it after I posted my desperate plea... I've been eating too many nuts, I fear. I should MEASURE. And I'm eating a wee bit too much onion, tomato, and spinach. Too much for this time, anyway.

Mostly, I'm eating scrambled egg whites - I was putting a tablespoon of diced onion and 1/2 c diced tomato in the mix when I cooked it. And ate about 1/2 c fresh spinach - wilted. So today I chopped up about 1/4 c celery to cook in my eggs.

For lunch and dinner, I'm eating salmon I cook in the oven. OH! I just thought of something - I normally put a LOT of lemon juice on them. I imagine lemon has a good bit of sugar.

Last night, I had one stalk of celery - put sardines and pecorino cheese on it. The cheese has no carbs. Added 2 oz avocado. I purchased CalorieKing - it's a program you can get online that tracks nutrients down to the gram. And you can add foods that are not in the library.

Do you think it was the nuts? I was eating about 2 oz a day of pecans - around 8 grams of carbs. I'm wondering... do we need to aim for under 20 grams if we're having this problem? I'm really baffled - and disappointed. It was SOOOO easy before!

Anyway, that's about all I'm eating save the occasional hot dog that I normally give in bits to my dogs as treats. I just feel SICK. Can't explain it - I did take the dogs for a short walk this afternoon and felt more energy. Exercise is definitely good! But now I'm feeling cruddy again - fatigued and slightly sick to my stomach. No symptoms of illness.

I had outrageous success before but I really see I can't do induction as I did then. Nuts are healthy but I think I'll eschew them entirely for a couple of weeks. Any advice?

THANK YOU again! I appreciate it so much! I almost didn't reveal I'm a doctor, but then I thought I should, to show that doctors use this diet, too. Heck, come to think of it, half the doctors I know have done it to great success - including my sister!

I would greatly appreciate any further input/advice. There are so many people here with lots of experience with this diet - I really need some input. I know there's knowledge in this board that I don't have.

Again, thank you! I look forward to ANY advice! I'm a person, too!

'-)

**DarlingBri** · September 18, 2009, 04:03 PM

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OK, well, bad news first: you're over 50, you're post menopausal, and you're a second timer. It's unlikely to be a fast loss.

Now for the good news: You're doing it wrong. That's good because it's correctable! Here is a primer on induction. It is still being edited but it lays it all out pretty clearly. You can find both lists of allowed vegetables here (scroll down.)

You're going to need to read carefully, because what you're doing is a bit of a trainwreck. Eggs are essential to Atkins, but egg whites only are verboten because Induction is all about the fat, baby. (65% of your diet from fat, in fact - this is a high fat, medium protein, low carb diet.) While we do ration vegetables, most of our carbs are to come from veggies, so they are not optional. Nuts are not allowed on induction. I do not believe there is a hot dog that exists that does not have sugar and isn't chock full of nitrates.

You are also STARVING yourself of calories. No wonder you feel like crap, woman. Also no wonder you're not losing - you're in starvation mode.

So, really, make some bacon and eggs for breakfast, sit down, read the 2002 edition, and have a re-think. You have the skills to understand both the science and the food so gear up to do it right and I'm pretty confident you'll have slow but steady results.

Also, if you use a program like FitDay, you can see you daily vitamin and mineral intake vs the RDA guidelines, and see that you will in NO WAY be so deficient you'll need two multi-vits. People argue over just the one enough as it is!

**Alice J** · September 18, 2009, 04:13 PM

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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

I'm going to read your recommendations RIGHT NOW. I can't thank you enough! Honestly - I've been BAFFLED!!

You're an ANGEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**odirish** · September 18, 2009, 04:14 PM

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I'm 57 and this is my 3rd or 4th attempt at Atkins. I did a very strict Induction, but after 2 weeks, I increased my carbs for maybe a day or 2 and then back to 20 or fewer carbs. It took a month, but I did lose 10 lbs. so far but never felt crappy.

Mary Ann

**Alice J** · September 18, 2009, 04:21 PM

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Hi, Mary Ann! Thank you for your response. Congratulations on your weight loss! I'm glad you didn't feel crappy. Bri helped me here - I'm doing it ALL WRONG. DUH. I feel absolutely terrible... took two weeks off with fantasies of working on my home office and all I'm doing is lying around reading and watching movies!

Thanks to Bri's excellent advice, I expect to be tip-top by Monday. I should have come to these boards on day 1!

Good luck with your continued work!

Originally posted by odirish View Post

I'm 57 and this is my 3rd or 4th attempt at Atkins. I did a very strict Induction, but after 2 weeks, I increased my carbs for maybe a day or 2 and then back to 20 or fewer carbs. It took a month, but I did lose 10 lbs. so far but never felt crappy.

Mary Ann

**DarlingBri** · September 18, 2009, 04:52 PM

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Ahh sure you're very welcome. It's no bother

You must come back and tell us how you're doing though! (And you may want a menu spot check in a week or so, just for safety.)

**imagood1** · September 19, 2009, 07:27 PM

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Hi Alice --

Have you read the 2002 Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution (DANDR) book? Because you were eating nuts and other things it makes me believe you haven't. You can find an inexpensive copy on www.amazon.com or www.half.com (mine was under $5.00 with shipping).

I don't remember seeing where you introduced yourself on the Spotlight area I'll give you the information I normally give people there.....I'm one of the ladies who welcomes people when they start here.

If you haven’t until you can get a copy you’ll find a condensed version at the top of the induction - (Atkins Diet Induction FAQs)http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-diet-14-day-induction/77558-atkins-diet-induction-faqs.html.

Make sure you drink a minimum of 64 ounces of pure water (nothing added), exercise starting today and taking a multi-vitamin. Check all around the board for everything there is to, there is a challenge section with both exercise and non exercise challenges, Rate My Menu for help with your food, journaling – there is something for everyone

Make a copy of this list (What foods can be eaten on Induction?)http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-low-carb-dieting-faqs/6781-what-foods-can-eaten-induction.html and take it with you when you go to the store. If a food isn’t listed on the acceptable food list don’t eat it. Learn to read the label on all foods you buy - don’t just look at the “carb” number look at the ingredients list of everything and check the ingredients against your list. Just because it says "low carb" doesn't mean you can eat it. Also check for hidden sugars (learn the names used in place of the word “sugar”).

You said above you were going to cut out plants......not smart -- you should be getting the largest part of your carbs from vegetables ..... you need these to keep your bowels moving, to keep your stomach feeling full and for something other than meat, eggs and cheese in your body. One of the biggest misconceptions about Atkins is we only eat meat, eggs and cheese ---- nothing could be further from the truth -- I actually eat more vegetables now than I've ever eaten in my life.

If you have done Atkins before there is a group you may be interested in: Second Time Around Club - Atkins Diet - they have a daily roll call for everyone to say hi and keep in touch.

The recipe sites are helpful for meal planning – just make sure you use Induction Recipes to begin with.
http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/menus.html (Linda’s)
(Never ending induction recipes)(Never ending induction recipes)(Never ending induction recipes)http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-diet-14-day-induction/58513-never-ending-induction-recipes.html (Induction recipes)
(Induction Recipe Basics--More recipes added)(Induction Recipe Basics--More recipes added)(Induction Recipe Basics--More recipes added)http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-diet-14-day-induction/6807-induction-recipe-basics-more-recipes-added.html (Induction Recipe Basics)

I'm sorry I wasn't here yesterday when you posted -- I took a day away from the site....If you need anything we’re here to help you!! Good luck to you!

**Alice J** · September 19, 2009, 07:33 PM

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Carole, you're a DOLL!!! You ARE a good one!

Yes, I read your intro post - it's marvelous. How lovely for you to put all the information out there for us. I did not introduce myself because - I don't know. I guess I was reading all about everyone else. I didn't know if I should introduce myself because once I go back to work next week, I won't have much time for these boards.

I read the book years ago... CLEARLY I need to do so again! And Bri has been an absolute ANGEL!! I am so, so, so very grateful to her for her marvelous help.

THANK YOU for your time and effort here!

**Sweet Strudel** · September 19, 2009, 07:53 PM

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Alice and Welcome to the

I agree, between Bri and Carole, there isn't anything left to add. You have some great advice here.

I am over 50 and have fallen off the Atkins wagon more than once, but I'm back after gaining back nearly 20lbs

BAD ME!

Its definately harder to lose it each time you try. Couple that with my age and being a woman heading into menopause....Lordy! Some days it feels as if I have way too much working against me. But alas, I'm still plugging along. The weight loss is S L O W !!!!

Perhaps you might like to start your own journal over in Journal Chats where you can chronicle your journey. Its also a great place to spill out your feelings, no matter what they might be on any given day.

Ok, just wanted to stop in and say hi. Hoping you get this under control now that you know the rules!

Please update us on your success!

**Alice J** · September 19, 2009, 09:26 PM

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THANK YOU!! What a sweetie! Strudel, huh? Too bad we don't have low carb strudel!

I appreciate your kind words here - and the good suggestions! Yes, I got excellent advice - it's helping already!

Auf Wiedersehen!

**Sarina D** · September 19, 2009, 09:29 PM

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Hi Alice,

Welcome to the board, it's great to meet you!!!!

Pretty much everything that can be said has been said above so I won't repeat anything....you've received a lot of awesome advice and tips.

I think you're experiencing the wonderful thing called "Induction Flu". Last October my brother decided to bite the bullet after watching my progress and start Atkins. He took an entire week off from work because his Induction Flu was so bad. I had him pounding the water which helped him throughout the days to flush all the crap out of his system. When I started, I had already cut out breads and such months prior to starting Atkins so I think that is why I didn't exprience the dreaded Induction Flu that others go through.....just remember..."This too shall pass"...Induction Flu that is. You're body is going through a big change right now...before you know it you will begin to feel better and your energy level will increase....just hang in there!

I would say, drink as much water as you can and even though you might not feel like it, get your body moving even if it's for only 10 minutes of walking each day. Exercise has played a HUGE roll in my weight loss success and it is a great avenue for relieving stress and helps one feel better emotionally and physically. I have been very dedicated in my exercise routines but from time to time I have missed exercising and paid for it emotionally. I noticed I would feel like crap, feel grouchy, ornary....you name it....I would turn into the wicked witch of the West Coast

LOL!!!!!!

Just you hang in there and be sure to eat exactly what you're suppose to and even when you're not hungry, have a snack that is higher in fat whether it be a boiled egg, a piece of chicken, a piece of roast etc....

Keep coming here and talking about how things are going for you...I have said so many times, this board has been a very valuable tool in my weight loss belt.

I started a thread a number of months ago regarding my weight loss journey....here is the link if you should like to take a peek.

Atkins Diet Bulletin Board

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/before-after-pics/70090-before-during-400-lbs-247-lbs-not-done-yet.html

Please keep in touch and know you are not alone in this journey, we're all in this together and I look forward to hearing about how things are going for you.

Come here lots, read as much as you can and post as often as you like!

Talk with you soon!
Sarina
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Heaviest weight - 403 lbs. (2007)
April 1, 2008 - 387 lbs. (This is when I initially started to lose weight…but was not on Atkins at this point)
Atkins start weight – 347 lbs. (July 19, 2008 – began Atkins)
1st major goal met -----100 lbs. lost as of Oct 2, 2008 - Hit 300 lbs. on this day – From April 1-08 when I initially begin to lose weight.
2nd major goal met - 151 lbs. lost as of Jan 13, 2009 - Hit 249 lbs. on this day.
3rd major goal met - Wed, May 13-09 - Reached losing 200 lbs. in just over a year and a couple of months.
4th major goal met – Reached “Onederland” June 6-09 – 198 lbs.
5th major goal met - My 1 yr. Atkins anniversary - Weighing 184 lbs. this day
Current weight – 177 lbs.
Goal weight - 150 – 160

**Alice J** · September 19, 2009, 11:03 PM

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Wow, Sarina - you look BEAOOOOTIFUL!! How proud of yourself you must be! Thank you so much for your kindness and support here. I appreciate it. I know so many doctors who did it - I was one, and then I gained a lot back. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!

I took two weeks off, but it wouldn't have been enough time if Bri hadn't been kind enough to help me. I do drink gallons of water... I keep waiting for an arrhythmia to show up! Menopause - very hot and thirsty a lot. I expect losing weight to help.

I've emailed the web support folks about my ticker - can't seem to get it going. I wish there was a "help" button - I looked in FAQ and didn't see anything and I'm not smart enough to figure it out!

I'm back at work Monday - and I'm sooooo busy at work. So - I'm glad I'll be feeling better! I'm already feeling a bit better - I've added fat to my diet. And I've walked the dogs a couple of times today - I was surprised at how much better I felt.

Thank you again - you're a doll! How GREAT you are doing!! YIPPEE!!!!!!!

**sallyseachange** · September 21, 2009, 02:08 AM

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Just wanted to welcome you here, as you've already had great advice! Nice to have you along with us for your Atkins journey. I'm sure that once you get on the right path the programme will work splendidly for you. It will be slower than the first time around, probably, but it will work.

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