Low carb alternatives and mod. Induction???

[Zarabelle]

Hello

I'm confused! Doesn't take much!

When I asked the question about low carb alternatives - shakes, breads, pancake mixes etc. on the Induction forum I was told there was not really a place for them and to eat real food etc. etc.

Thing is.... when reading DANDR, he sometimes suggests having a shake (even on induction) and also says that if you really do crave something then to have the low carb alternative.

Now I know that generally it is better to stick to real food and I certainly am planning to do that but do you really have to wait until you are on the grain rung of OWL until you have low carb bread for example? I certainly used frankenfoods the last time I did Atkins and had no problem at all.

Last time, I did induction strictly for two weeks and then did a modified induction - allowed myself a couple of low carb drinks at the weekend and some frankenfoods very occassionally. Does no one do this anymore?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

Z x

[Cobra Dan]

Re: Low carb alternatives and mod. Induction???

Hello

I'm confused! Doesn't take much!

When I asked the question about low carb alternatives - shakes, breads, pancake mixes etc. on the Induction forum I was told there was not really a place for them and to eat real food etc. etc.

Thing is.... when reading DANDR, he sometimes suggests having a shake (even on induction) and also says that if you really do crave something then to have the low carb alternative.

Now I know that generally it is better to stick to real food and I certainly am planning to do that but do you really have to wait until you are on the grain rung of OWL until you have low carb bread for example? I certainly used frankenfoods the last time I did Atkins and had no problem at all.

Last time, I did induction strictly for two weeks and then did a modified induction - allowed myself a couple of low carb drinks at the weekend and some frankenfoods very occassionally. Does no one do this anymore?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

Z x

those guys are hard core about eating clean. some people have experienced slow or even a lack of results by eating that stuff. you will get better, faster results by eating clean. but it's your choice.

[Finelly]

Re: Low carb alternatives and mod. Induction???

I've never touched them.

[shashee]

Re: Low carb alternatives and mod. Induction???

I did a strict induction the first time around and then did a modified, where i kinda ate a fried food once n awhile, and berries.... Didnt follow the rules of OWL though... I lost about 30 pounds in two months by doing that. Right now im back on induction again with a few tweaks. I think everyone needs to find their OWN way for this WOL otherwise youll never stick with it. Some people find it easy to stick by the book, others find it works better to modify a few things and they still have results!

good luck

[Sarah1341]

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I think you should keep your two weeks strict. From there, you have to do what works for you. If having a low carb alternative doesn't send you on a binge, then maybe that will work. I know some have had great success by following their own method and keeping carbs under 20 grams (Jimmie and Tom come to mind). Check out the journal forum and chat with Jimmie. She might be able to give you some useful info about this.

[cleochatra]

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When I asked the question about low carb alternatives - shakes, breads, pancake mixes etc. on the Induction forum I was told there was not really a place for them and to eat real food etc. etc.

This is partially due to the fact that when the venerable Dr A put this way of eating together almost 40 years ago, he didn't have these 'frankenfoods' at his doisposal, and he was extraordinarily successful in helping millions of people to lose weight all over the world!

The oither reason for this is that frankenfoods emulate the drugs we are addicted to as carb-junkies. It's like a cocaine addict taking cocaine-light. It's not helping our bodies detox from our poisons, but perpetuating the constant need for them instead.

Thing is.... when reading DANDR, he sometimes suggests having a shake (even on induction) and also says that if you really do crave something then to have the low carb alternative.

Should the cocaine junkie take a hit of cocaine light if he really craves it?

Now I know that generally it is better to stick to real food and I certainly am planning to do that but do you really have to wait until you are on the grain rung of OWL until you have low carb bread for example? I certainly used frankenfoods the last time I did Atkins and had no problem at all.
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The reason to wait is because the quicker a person who is known to be a druggie partakes in something with that high a glycemic index, the more likely they are to: 1) eat more than they should, rather than with high fat or protein, and 2) get cravings for other foods they only just stopped eating.

Grains are higher on the glycemic index than many foods, and so it is necessary, for the best success on this WOE, to wait until you have established what you can and cannot have without cravings. This is why the rungs were invented.

It's a bit of a rotating diet in its own right.

Without it, I'd never have realized that eating nuts drives me to want to eat other things and that I should probably stay away from them.

Last time, I did induction strictly for two weeks and then did a modified induction - allowed myself a couple of low carb drinks at the weekend and some frankenfoods very occassionally. Does no one do this anymore?

Not if you're following the strict 2002 version of the Atkins diet.


Now, don't think I'm being all drill sergeant on your fanny, but there's a reason Dr Atkins did things the way he did, and they work. If we're not listening to Dr Atkins, then we're still going on, thinking we're smarter than he was and doing the same old thing we always did all along, which never got us anywhere.

So I want you to shake it, baby!

Shake it up. Give in to a new way of doing things. If you can't give Dr Atkins a real chance, then you have to ask yourself, "why".

[2big4mysize]

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COngrats on the baby and wedding. Welcome back to ADBB and Atkins

Since you are familar with the good doc's book look in the induction section chapter 11 and read that part about the special low carb foods. it says in an emergency. what kind of emergency is it if you are planning for it right now?

it also says if you use them you still have to follow the rules so that means the ingredients have to be found in the induction food lists per rule 5. I'm still waiting for some low carber to find a low carb bar or food that fits that requirement. The new shake mixes come very close and some actually fit the rule but then it has to be an emergency too so what do you do. Have you ever wondered how a company like slimfast stays in business? Well exactly what does a person learn about long term weight control by eating bars and/or shakes for meals to lose weight and then can go back to eatting the very foods that caused the weight gain in the first place. See there is how they stray in business with thier we will be right here if you need us again to quickly shed those unwanted pounds. (they don't tell you that you will sure as shooting put back on again and again cause you only learned to drink our shakes and/or eat our bars as your breakfast lunch and snacking WOE). You learned about that sensible dinner but no craving control, no portion control of real foods, no signals of hunger satisfaction or even knowledge of how mlittle food hunger satisfation takes.
So unless you plan to eat those quick replacement meals for the rest of your life do yourself a favor and learn what foods your body handles in OWL what hunger feels like and what it feels like when you have satisfied it without having to fill up the space in your belly every meal.
Learn to fix foods as the fixing of those foods is part of the satisfaction and the conditioniung of the body to eating so it stops the hunger signals at propper times.

You can make induction legal pancakes, breads, chips, and just about every thing you need. Check our recipes in our induction forum. right now it may not seem like the best tasting food but as you progressed on Atkins the first time you learned that your tastebuds become more sensitive and things that didn't taste so good in the begining now taste much better.

OWL is only 14 days away. As Dr Atkins said it is only 14 days, you got the rest of your life to eat the other low carb stuff.

One thing that might be a large stumbling bloock for you is you know how well Atkins can work for you and are not the wide eyed newbie marveling at wow I can eat that fatty stuf and lose??? so it will be dificult for you to be strick on yourself when you start because you know it works and can rationalize I'm going to eat ___ cause I know I can always redo induction tomorrow if it knocks me out of ketosis so please be careful and don't fall into that trap.

Happy low carbing

[Elizellen]

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Lots of good advice here already but I just wanted to mention those 'low carb drinks'.
did you mean alcohol?
From this board I learned that when we are lowcarbing and drink alcohol our bodies use this fuel in preference to the carbs and fat we eat, thus delaying any weightlosses.
So you may be sabotaging any losses you might otherwise be due for.

[Zarabelle]

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Hello all! Thanks for all of your comments. I found them very informative and will take them on board. I haven't touched a frankenfood as yet and don't plan to for several weeks/months. I just have some there for later - lower carb pasta for example.

I have pretty much lost my sweet tooth already which is great.

As for induction, I have been strict. I lost 9 pounds last week and so far this week just half a pound as it's that time of the month....

Big thank you to Shashee for knowing where I'm coming from - I totally agree. Not pushing the boat out but just a few tweaks here and there will keep me on the straight and narrow. xx

Thanks again, x

[cleochatra]

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Zarabelle-- Just watch the tweakin'!

Strictness in this WOE, even though it nearly killed me (LOL), has allowed me to lose 21 pounds in the last week.

Tweaking is something people can and do try during the 14-day induction, but it's not something that ADBB or I recommend, just simply because I've been a tweaker and it made huuuuge problems for me.

I know you'll do great!!!

**edited because the first version sounded waayyy too formal*

[pjade1]

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You are doing awesome Cleo! No tweaking, that's hard but as you have proven, worth it. Please let us know how you do this next week too and if you tweaked or not.

[Zarabelle]

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Hi Cleo - thought you may check back on me LOL!! You are great!

Don't you worry, I haven't tweaked as yet and I'm not feeling the need!!! 21 pounds in a week - woooooooooooooooooooah!!

I went out and bought some American Cup measuring cups today and I can't believe how small a cup of lettuce is LOL. Think I have probably been over estimating for lettuce. Ah well, still lost 9 punds last week so am doing something right.

I'm with you on the Mid-Year Challenge - WE CAN DO IT xxx

[cleochatra]

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Zarabelle-- you don't have any idea how proud I am of you, and you don't know how glad I am for you.

I started a new thread and it's in your honor, and only because I never want anyone to be like me. Stoopid.

I hope you'll see what stoopid did for me, and feel good knowing that you are not wasting any time in your life because of my mistakes!!!

{{Zarabelle}}!

[2big4mysize]

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woo hoo good for you. OWL is when you get to do all the tweaking you want as long as you stay in your 5 net per rung limits. You can let your imagination run wild with those new veggie limits and the nut rung? I'm sure we will be reading some new nuts included recipes you have discovered just as we do with every OWLer after that strick 14 days. Just remember as you progress with your Atkins and morph that body the strictness of the program will seem less and less. At some point you will not even think high carb when you want a break from your normal and you will dive into the recipe section for a legal new to you treat.

There is nothing wrong with low carb tortillas or low carb pasta as a paret of your OWL or higher program as long as you get an accurate carb count and can handle the ingredients with your metabolism.

Happy low carbing.

[Zarabelle]

Re: Low carb alternatives and mod. Induction???

Thank you x