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  • #1

    I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

    OK so maybe he wasn't wrong, but I think I wook some of his words too literally. As some of you know I have been struggling to get back on plan consistently for a year now (holy cow what a waste of time, but anyway), I think I now know what I've been doing wrong. My re-induction hasn't ever been long enough. I've have been taking the part about 3 days at induction level to get back on track after a slip. Well a 40 day hiatus is no slip and I think that is where I went wrong. For me after going back to my old way of eating (not entirely but enough so) 3 days of induction wasn't enough to give me the strength to "just say no". I would do 2 or 3 days and slide (note I didn't say slip). Which would then turn to eat whatever I wanted. Now, mind you, I didn't go overboard, (except on a few rare occasions) but I definitely was eating off plan. When I started it was so easy to say no, and I lost that since I fell off last September. If I'm such a control freak, why don't I have any control? I want that power back. I need that power back. I am going to go get that power back.

    Remember it's not that you can't eat something, it is simply that you choose not to.
    Jim


    Yes I'm eating a smore in the picture, how do you think I got so fat?
    M/41/6'2"
    Original Start 348 6/14/04 Low 275.2 9/13/2005
    Restart 338.0 2/5/10 ---Current 325.0 2/22/10---Goal 210(195?)

    February miles run - 20
    "It's very hard in the beginning to understand that the whole idea is not to beat the other runners. Eventually you learn that the competition is against the little voice inside you that wants you to quit" - George Sheehan
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  • #2
    Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

    Good for you, Jim, deciding to get properly back onto the Atkins wagon and re-establish that control over your eating!

    Will you do a full 14 days this time?
    Wondering how to get 'most' of your net carbs from your induction veggies?
    Take a look at the thread from the latest Veggie Challenge to see how others manage it!



    Check out our Low Carb Recipes website and add to it!!





    F/60 yrs/5ft 5.5" (Though due to collapsing vertebrae I am now only 5'3" - but I refuse to recalculate my BMI )

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    • #3
      Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

      Originally posted by jroche5998
      Remember it's not that you can't eat something, it is simply that you choose not to.
      Very smart! These words ring in the mind daily. We choose to eat foods that help burn the fat and help us take care of who we are the best we know how!

      Don't forget the water intake, the exercise, and the knowledge of how you know what foods you choose to eat that help you live a healthy life style. Oh, yeah. And don't forget only you have the power to make those choices

      Best wishes on your continued journey.

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      • #4
        Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

        It would appear that I need not administer a slapping in this thread!
        sigpic260/215/180 Male - 36 y/o

        It never ceases to amaze me of how easy and how effective this ***diet*** is!!




        I have since re-gained a bit of weight, but that is soon to be coming off again!

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        • #5
          Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

          Isn't it wonderful when that determination sets in and you realize that you can take control of your life? I'm so happy for you!!
          Starting Date 3/12/04 285/165/145 - F



          Dedication gives wings to our dreams and keeps them in flight! In One Word...COMMITTMENT.

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          • #6
            Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

            Jim, I think you are right. I'm pretty far up the rungs. So, when I have problems (even if not a binge) and I go back to induction for only 2-3 days to get back into ketosis and then continue on the rung that gave me problems. I get the problems right back...or I'm too slack, or the cravings weren't truly back under control. I may be in ketosis...but I may not have addressed the mental dedication it takes, I may not have my blood sugar totally under control either. So, when I go back to a higher rung, I have problems again. Giving induction a full 2 weeks, yes it gets us back in ketosis, but it gives us a chance to address other things going on too.

            Welcome back to the plan. Are you going to do a full 14 day induction? And, after that are you going to re-climb the rungs? Tell us about YOUR plan for working the Atkins plan.
            ~Joy

            Start 1/2/06 Goal 6/11/07 restart 1/2/09
            268.5/196/185
            QUIT SMOKING JULY 23, 2006 while on Atkins


            Just when you think you've eaten enough vegetables...EAT SOME MORE!
            http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=ride2joy

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            • #7
              Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

              At least 14 days, I'll probably stay in induction a bit longer. The rungs are what got me in trouble. I started to over indulge using the "well I'll run it off" or "I can have this I ran ten miles this morning" which while true led to having things on days I didn't run, which led to over indulgence, which led to falling of plan, which led to weight gain.

              So will I do the rungs? Yes, just not yet.

              It's funny, this is something that has never really been discussed that much here, and the book doesn't really address it too much (aside from the reinduct for 3 days after a slip). But on a true restart, do you really restart? From the beginning? I remember once almost 2 years ago I fell off for about 2 weeks and I mentioned a rung (this was in the chat room one night, we used to use that a lot, but anyway) 2big said to me "what rung? you aren't on a rung? you are restarting" so unless I misunderstood her but a restart is a total restart. Only you have at least some foreknowledge of problem foods within each rung that you know to avoid. But if all this is true then it's at least a week at each rung before adding a food group.
              Jim


              Yes I'm eating a smore in the picture, how do you think I got so fat?
              M/41/6'2"
              Original Start 348 6/14/04 Low 275.2 9/13/2005
              Restart 338.0 2/5/10 ---Current 325.0 2/22/10---Goal 210(195?)

              February miles run - 20
              "It's very hard in the beginning to understand that the whole idea is not to beat the other runners. Eventually you learn that the competition is against the little voice inside you that wants you to quit" - George Sheehan

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              • #8
                Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

                I think that makes perfect sense. Three days does not seem long enough to re-establish your proper eating habits - so you could easily revert to the carb creep again. Hmmm....something to ponder. Thanks for sharing that!


                F, 28
                5'8"

                Re-Start Date: January 25, 2009

                SW:300
                CW:295
                GW: 180

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                • #9
                  Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

                  Jim,

                  IF I remember correctly the proper way is to go back to induction until you have regained ketosis and then proceed on from where you were?
                  Bren
                  female


                  218/150 calling it goal!
                  3/30/03

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                  • #10
                    Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

                    Bren, that is how I've always read it as well. But that is in response to a cheat (a.k.a. the kiss of death) according to the book. The book doesn't directly address the question for people who have been off plan for a period of time (i.e. a week or longer), because in a perfect world you are never supposed to go of plan since it's a WOEFL. But the hard reality is that people fall off for much longer than one meal and the specific method for restarting the plan has not been discussed much and isn't specifically addressed in DANDR. It's just that I've noticed for me that 3 days is NOT enough for me to regain any control that I might have lost, nor make it easy for me to say no and make good, or at least better, choices. I mean think about it realistically, if I've been off plan for a month, I then re-induct for 3 days to get back into ketosis, then I jump back to the grains rung because I have been there before? What has this 3 day induction done for my craving? Nothing. And I can have some whole grain bread? What level of carbs am I at? I know how I've handled it, but my year of failure just proves that I did it wrong. I think 2big was right, start from the beginning, go through the rungs again (with some helpful knowledge and experience) and then see. Who knows what going off plan did to your metabolism, maybe your CCLL has changed (or your CCLM if you're at goal). I suppose you could go back to where you were and readjust, but I think that going through all of the steps again will just reinforce the plan in your mind.

                    Just my thoughts.
                    Jim


                    Yes I'm eating a smore in the picture, how do you think I got so fat?
                    M/41/6'2"
                    Original Start 348 6/14/04 Low 275.2 9/13/2005
                    Restart 338.0 2/5/10 ---Current 325.0 2/22/10---Goal 210(195?)

                    February miles run - 20
                    "It's very hard in the beginning to understand that the whole idea is not to beat the other runners. Eventually you learn that the competition is against the little voice inside you that wants you to quit" - George Sheehan

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                    • #11
                      Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

                      I tend to agree with you. Dr. A. did not touch on that nor a time frame. I think going back and starting fresh may reinforce the good habits we start off with? Just MHO!
                      Bren
                      female


                      218/150 calling it goal!
                      3/30/03

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                      • #12
                        Re: I know what my problem is, and why Dr. A was wrong

                        I would consider a slip up as eating one food item or a meal not on Atkins. Going off for more than a solid day needs induction all over again. You have to detoxify - that's induction. It also jump starts your loss. So, if you fell off the band wagon for a meal or two in a row then 3-4 days of induction may be enough to put you back on track. But, a weekend splurge or a week or a few weeks.. I'd tend to think you need to detoxify and that means induction. Another reason to avoid the kiss of death. I like all I eat now.. I don't want to start all over LOL


                        Rachel
                        SW Louisiana
                        I can do it!







                        October 30,2006

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