Sunday deep thoughts

[cathyjobob]

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LOL just when I decide to talk. LOL (kidding! )

OH BABS! I have terrible timing! Didn't even see you there when I posted!

Grabs hand, Come to Iowa anyway! We can talk all you want along the way...LOL.

[Babs]

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I'm kidding! I'm kidding ya! I love you all so much here!! But the corn may be tempting in Iowa for me. I'm just starting to see this Iowa thing, and it's a long way from California. I'd have to really run fast to catch up. LOL

[cathyjobob]

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I'm kidding! I'm kidding ya! I love you all so much here!! But the corn may be tempting in Iowa for me. I'm just starting to see this Iowa thing, and it's a long way from California. I'd have to really run fast to catch up. LOL

Come check us out! We make corny corn jokes, and provide great care and support to one another! Love to see you there!

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[Outback Jess]

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Hey all, boy this post has really got us all thinking. I just want to add something...Somewhere in the posts that followed, the concept of perfection came up.
I wanted to add one thing. I live with a perfectionist. He would love to tell you how much I am not a perfectionist. He is tormented I am not into perfectionism. He would love for me to be! He is details and perfection, and I am big picture. He is black and white and I am gray, I am drawn to the gray in others because there are so many paths and ways to skin cats (please no cat comments). He lives with a sense of failure and it torments him because things are never good enough for him.
Me, and this is my simple point, me I have made a promise, and it's been in alot of my posts...people will recognize it. I want to be here in a year. I want to start 2007 off strong, healthly and working this plan. I want to turn 50 so much prouder of myself than I was last yr. I want to move past my failures, and all of my broken promises, and I want to just simply keep mine. I am so sorry if all of you felt there was perfection in my plans and promises...there isn't, it's not that detailed. I just want to be here and still working it. The numbers matter, it's not 110 days that matter, it's Jan 1, March 14th, Aug 1...I want to be amoung you. If I can swing that, i will be happy. I have abused my body, and my soul. I am truthfully trying to turn it around.
That's bout it.

[cathyjobob]

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Hey all, boy this post has really got us all thinking. I just want to add something...Somewhere in the posts that followed, the concept of perfection came up.
I wanted to add one thing. I live with a perfectionist. He would love to tell you how much I am not a perfectionist. He is tormented I am not into perfectionism. He would love for me to be! He is details and perfection, and I am big picture. He is black and white and I am gray, I am drawn to the gray in others because there are so many paths and ways to skin cats (please no cat comments). He lives with a sense of failure and it torments him because things are never good enough for him.
Me, and this is my simple point, me I have made a promise, and it's been in alot of my posts...people will recognize it. I want to be here in a year. I want to start 2007 off strong, healthly and working this plan. I want to turn 50 so much prouder of myself than I was last yr. I want to move past my failures, and all of my broken promises, and I want to just simply keep mine. I am so sorry if all of you felt there was perfection in my plans and promises...there isn't, it's not that detailed. I just want to be here and still working it. The numbers matter, it's not 110 days that matter, it's Jan 1, March 14th, Aug 1...I want to be amoung you. If I can swing that, i will be happy. I have abused my body, and my soul. I am truthfully trying to turn it around.
That's bout it.

I applaude your promise to yourself Jess! And your dedication to being here...your upbeat attitude and strength are positively infectious! I enjoy your thoughts of the day (even if they are more serious than mine are ...lol), but you make me think, you keep me honest, and you have motivated me on many levels to care for myself...no easy task for a woman whom puts herself last on a normal basis.

Thank you for being you!

[Shilorunamok]

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Jess . . . You're Awsome! I have NO doubt in my mind that you will be here next year . . . cheering us on, picking us up, and encouraging us. Keep your mind focused on where you want to be and you'll get there.

[Tamster158]

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I'm with you, Jess -- I've abused my body and i just want to get it back to a healthy state and keep it that way. You and I are close in age and height -- I'll be 49 in January and I'm a whopping 1" taller than you! At our age, we need to be healthy so that we'll be on this earth, to either take care of or torment our family, for a long time.

On a different note, the biggest thing I always notice when looking at the "before and after" pictures posted here on the board (besides the fact that the people are much smaller) is the fact that their faces look so different. They look younger, happier, and not bloated. I want my face to be like that again! I'll have to get a picture of myself posted in my signature, maybe later today.

Anyway.... happy Sunday to everybody -- see you all tomorrow!
~Tammy

[Outback Jess]

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Come on Tam, post that picture...I posted the fattest face I could find..and that wasn't even good enough..
Today a gal at church turned to me and said, "I finally see a little weight loss in your face"...I thought, "gosh just now"...but she said fat people can loose 30 or 40 lbs before it shows...I said, "well thanks I think"..she is severly overweight and was complimenting me! Now my family, they think I've lost an entire person of weight...
It's all in how you look at it, I suppose.
Post that picture Tam.

[Outback Jess]

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Babs, you can come to iowa with us...Check it out in Exercise forums.. Low milage, that is computed high...and next thing you know you are there! sorta...

[RachelnLa]

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We all have different ways of handling/doing Atkins. What works for some will not work for others. I found the first time I was strict. Then I laxed. Then I laxed more. Then I stopped being so hard on myself for slipping. That allowed ME the freedom to slip and slip and slip.

This time? I'm looking at this as a way of life for life. Yes, I am not perfect and I do slip. But I'm trying to be hard on myself about a slip in order to keep myself in line: Find out what lead me to cheat, how I felt afterwards, how to avoid in the future. I don't want to make the same mistake I made before. I dont' want to keep coming back again and again after each slip. I want to be done with this (reach goal) and live my life. I know the closer I get to goal the more foods I will be allowed. Will this stop my slips? I dunno. Hopefully!

I have also realized that I have not been so rigid and demanding of myself here lately - once again saying it's the holidaze and loosen up those ropes.. relax a little.. ??? I cannot be that way. I need to buckle down and get rigid again! I need that self-discipline. I find it's just easier to stay strict. Kinda like that alcoholic... cannot even have one drink. I noticed when I was strict the weight was constantly coming off. I'm slowing once again and maintaining. Not what I want!

Tomorrow it's monday, time to buckle down! Thanks for the thought provoking thread!

[Tamster158]

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Allrightee... picture as of today, November 19, posted!
~Tammy

[abstractillusions]

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Rachel, i am not sure you completely understood what i was speaking of in my posts. NO WAY do i advocate slipping or whatever, NO WAY do i say oh just do what you want. The rigidity i am speaking about is about NOT being able to move on from a slip. What i am speaking of is exactly what you wrote about when you said you slip, you figure it out and you move on. I am NOT saying nor have i ever implied ITS OKAY to be lax, to NOT follow the program, or have self-control. The rigidity i am speaking about is the non-ability or implication you will beat yourself up, and NOT be able to come back from a slip because you beat yourself up so badly that you give up because you get so disgusted with yourself and start believing you can't even keep a promise to yourself.

The reason i am replying to your post is because i am the one who spoke of rigidity and you seem to use that a lot in a very different way then i did. And i wanted to clarifiy before everyone started assuming i was advocating a lax program, cheating, slipping etc were okay. My rigidity does not constitute NOT performing cleaning, or doing atkins in a lax way. So i just wanted to clarifiy.

Promisies are good to yourself unless they harm you. As seen even on this board over and over again, to utilize a promise to somehow affect your integrity etc while doing this for life because we have beaten ourselves up enough while getting this way, its time to utilize promises that can be obtained and have plans in place where we don't beat ourselves up if we stumble. People make rigid promises to themselves that they then fall apart when that promise is somehow broken and then run from themselves and the way of life because their confidence is shattered.

Hope that clarifies what i mean by rigidity, the way you were using it seemed to put iti into a different context and i didn't want people believing i was advocating slipping or doing a lax program. I was not in any way. The only way to succed is to do the program correctly.

[RachelnLa]

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Rachel, i am not sure you completely understood what i was speaking of in my posts. NO WAY do i advocate slipping or whatever, NO WAY do i say oh just do what you want. The rigidity i am speaking about is about NOT being able to move on from a slip.

The only way to succed is to do the program correctly.

Oh, I understood. And like I said, each person handles it differently. You said "the only way to succeed is to do the program correctly." Well, that would be without a slip of any kind. Some people stick to it rigidly and never slip. They know if they slip they will never get back up. THAT is why Jess is so adament about not slipping. She's a STACer, which means she is returning. She does not want to return. She wants to stick with it. In doing so she knows she cannot slip. Not one ounce, not one bite. Today. Maybe next year after she has been at goal and feels secure she will. Maybe she won't. I do know some people who have not had refined sugar in years and never slip. They just don't. I also want to be that kind of person. Therefore, I need to be strict with myself. That's ME. That's how I handle it. Just like YOU handle it differently, so do others. No need to keep explaining words and views. We all handle things differently and do things differently. We have to find what works for each of us, and that includes me and Jess and all the others who are more strict and less laxed. To each his own!

[cathyjobob]

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Oh, I understood. And like I said, each person handles it differently. You said "the only way to succeed is to do the program correctly." Well, that would be without a slip of any kind. Some people stick to it rigidly and never slip. They know if they slip they will never get back up. THAT is why Jess is so adament about not slipping. She's a STACer, which means she is returning. She does not want to return. She wants to stick with it. In doing so she knows she cannot slip. Not one ounce, not one bite. Today. Maybe next year after she has been at goal and feels secure she will. Maybe she won't. I do know some people who have not had refined sugar in years and never slip. They just don't. I also want to be that kind of person. Therefore, I need to be strict with myself. That's ME. That's how I handle it. Just like YOU handle it differently, so do others. No need to keep explaining words and views. We all handle things differently and do things differently. We have to find what works for each of us, and that includes me and Jess and all the others who are more strict and less laxed. To each his own!

Right on Rachael!
To each his own.
Live and let live.
Amen!

[vmckelvie]

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Firstly, Wow! What a thought provoking thread - and kudo's to both Jess and Abstract for making it so!

I wasnt going to post, but I can really see both sides here

Abstract: just check out my sig line "persistance not perfection" For years I have been one of those people that sets my goals for the top of the ladder... I would climb a few rungs and I would nearly be at the top, before something happened and I slipped back to where I was only one rung of the ground, or had fallen off completely.

Man, I used to constantly berate myself, and it really played havoc with my emotions and my self esteem. I punished myself for not succeeding for a long, long time - which in turn, made me emotionally unhealthy, you know?

My journey with the AWOL has only been 22 days long.. I made a promise to myself when I started, and that was I would strive for persistance - that I wouldnt beat myself up if I slipped, and that I would pick myself up off the ground and start climbing that ladder once more. I promised myself that this would be a lifechanging diet (for lack of a better word) that I would achieve no matter how long it took me to get there. So I definitely see where you are coming from my friend

Jess: Has her goals set really high, and she strives to meet them every day. Abstract, yes she can often appear rigid (sorry Jess ) in the way she chooses to express herself, but personally I dont think its rigidity, its more like self affirmation. Jess constantly states her goals and dreams to keep her focused on the big picture. Self affirmation is a very powerful tool, and a great motivator. Jess, has alot of "strong" statements, and she expresses them by chatting here, posting - because again, it re-affirms her committment to herself, and this is the way she keeps herself on track!

When I personally want to achieve something now I take baby steps because of how I was in the past and I absolutely refuse to let me, beat myself up over it. AWOL is actually helping me to understand that "Hey I'm human", and I am getting there - slowly but surely.

My husband however, states it like this;

There were 2 men who were asked to climb Mt Everest. When asked if they would take the challenge;

the first man said, "yeppers, no problems, I can do this - I will get to the top"

the second man said "mmmnn, I dont know... its a long way up.. but I will give it my best go"

My husband always tells me - the first man is always going to get there because he believes he can do it. The second man is an unknown factor because of his mindset.

Yes, we have heated discussions over this LOL! but what it all boils down to is;

different strokes for different folks