cloned meat

[Raheemah]

Hi all, I have been away from Atkins for a few months now and have been giving it a hard look. I still have menstrual problems and am dealing with pcos. Doc has recommended atkins more than once.
I want to give Atkins another try but now I am a little fearful because of cloned meat; does anyone know how they will deal with this in the future?

[Raheemah]

Re: cloned meat

no one?

[knicknack]

Re: cloned meat

Won't eat it if I can help it. Not so much because I think cloned meat is bad for you but because I really hate the way our food is no longer natural. They do the same with vegetables you know. You ever wonder why all the tomatoes look exactly the same? Well, it's one tomato, genetically speaking, that they just grow over and over and over again. In my opinion, natural food tastes better.

I will buy my meat from wholefoods (I already do for the most part) and I will buy my vegetables from local farmers (I do that in the summer) or organic if I can. Some things I don't care much about (salad) and others I do (tomatoes, i like mine to have some flavor!).

[RachelnLa]

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Cloned meat - there are no FDA regulations for it! scary, huh?? How will we know? Shouldn't we be given the choice???

I agree, Atkins is wonderful for PMS, heavy periods (I tend to write about it a lot in my STATS journal) and clear thinking. Weight loss and all the other stuff is good too

Hubby and I started buying organic foods whenever possible. It really tastes better. Try looking online or around in your area. Start talking to friends, relative, neighbors. Someone may know someone who can help you out. We order our meat online and get together with other family to help lower the cost. I'm noticing the prices of fruits and veggies coming down in the past years. All this cold weather may increase prices though. Be prepared.

[Lulubell]

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the prelim ruling from FDA looks like they're going to OK it. the reason there is no final regs on it is because the 60-day public comment period is not yet over. but even so, regs take years and months to implement.

in the meantime, avoid the frankenfoods!!

[prissy]

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I was discussing this with my husband recently. He asked me if I thought cloned meat should be labeled…I said, “What? There is no cloned meat!”

But this reminds me of something that’s been on my mind and I would love other opinions. This link is an article on irradiated meat. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/food/irradiated-meat-803/overview/index.htm

“The government considers irradiation so effective that it allows tainted ground beef that otherwise would be unlawful to sell, such as meat containing E. coli O157:H7, to be irradiated and sold to consumers.” Regardless of what this disgusting quote means I am even wondering what eating untainted irradiated meat does to people.

Personally, my family goes from all natural, unaltered, organic foods until I can’t stand the prices anymore then I switch back to regular food until I can’t stand the questions anymore and I switch back.

[Lulubell]

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irradiating meat is a way of killing bacteria that lives on raw meat and fowl. this is the same kind of irradiation that sterilizes medical products like band-aids, wound coverings, and simple instruments used in docs offices and such. without going into too much boring chem/physics info, the basic premise is that a gamma-beam of electrons passes over the said product. the electrons are moving at such a fast rate, they "bombard" the bacterium such that it kills the single-cells organisms.

i actually think it's a good idea to irradiate meat. especially in light of the report that came out in december that stated something like 70+% of our meat and fowl supply is simply crawling with bacteria at the food store. organics were no exception.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/f...archTerm=tyson

[boonie stomper]

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Personally, I'm inclined to equate the nutritional attributes of cloned anything to simply that of the selectively bred whatever that the cell line was taken from. In other words, cloning simply eliminates natural selection, or breeding which can result in throwbacks and/or mutants with undesired traits (small size, less resistance, shorter storage life, etc.). The meat from Dolly's clones should be identical to that of Dolly, all environmental factors aside.

I don't care if my chicken came from a clone. The factory chicken today is practically a clone anyway, from so much inbreeding.

Now, if genetic alteration gets thrown in, that's a whole different story!!!


For now, however, I am more averse to what happens to the meat both before, during and after which may end up on my table. Things like cruelty, chemicals & drugs, irradiation, and additives!

[Sarah1341]

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Ok, just plain old simple YUCK! What are we supposed to eat if our normal foods have bacteria, our organic foods have bacteria, or other options that are being chemically processed. Kind of freaks me out a little.

[knicknack]

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Here's to wholefoods!

It is actually not a bad thing to be exposed to bacteria - it's the only way you develop any kind of resistance to it. Using antibacterial wipes and soap is a bad bad idea. I get so annoyed at moms that make their kids use that non-soap stuff that kills bacteria. You're making it so your kid is MORE susceptible to getting sick, sheesh. So, on some level, you want a little bacteria in your food so that when you're exposed to the BIG bacteria in that tainted meat at that little restaurant, you have a better chance of either not getting sick or only getting mildly sick. Same with cold and flu germs. Not to mention that the longer people use antibacterial stuff, the stronger and more immune to it those bacteria get.

I'm all for organic everything. If I had more money it's all I'd buy. There are farms around here that let you order meat from them. If I had a big house with a deep freeze, I'd just get half a cow and call it a day. :P

[boonie stomper]

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OK knicknack - so in this case, your best defense is a good offense....( a healthy immune syetem AKA defense will keep you away from the clinic or hospital, thus protecting you from the superbugs that thrive there, brought in regularly by hand-sterilizers and chemical-eaters to be trated with drugs (aka offense) to cure what they've no immunity to because they keep trying to kill the bugs...)

or is it the other way around? Eating a natural diversity of bacteria to keep the evolving resistant strains in check (aka offense) will mean an invading superbug has less of a chance in your system due to competition from other germs (aka defense) in there?

LOLOL What does this have to do with cloned meat, anyway?




Now, I just dare you (if you have kids in day care or school) to tell the staff its OK that your kid doesn't use soap, or eats/drinks after someone or after something hits the floor... I'd bet they'd report you for neglect and start an investigation.

The SPCA workers and visitors are REQUIRED to use hand sanitizer gel after contact with EACH animal.... I wonder, is it the same for workers in human medical and food-handling facilities?

What happened to the days when if a kid got chicken pox, there'd be a bath party for all the neighbors' kids?

[Lulubell]

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all soap is antibacterial, so agree that the stuff with triclosan in it is overkill and unnecessary. regular old ivory will do the trick to get germs off. however, having worked in a hospital for a while made me a compulsive hand washer and a germo-phobe.

i make no apologies for using the hand sanitizer in a tube when i can't get to a sink. and i very rarely get sick. could be because i don't touch my eyes, nose, or mouth, especially when i'm in a public place or have touched something very public like a door handle or shopping cart. yuck! just thinking about it makes me squeemish...

[knicknack]

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hee! Well, I don't advocate never using soap, but I do advocate using regular soap instead of antibacterial soap. I would tell day care workers not to use that sanitizer stuff on my kids though, I want them exposed to germs - especially chicken pox! :P (No, I don't have any kids though). Just wash their hands with regular soap, no need for that other stuff.

Medical workers always wash their hands before and after they touch me, in my experience, with some sanitizing thing. I think that's a bit different though - i mean they're running the risk of passing MY germs on to the next patient. So washing the hands and killing the bugs is necessary. That's why so many people used to die in hospitals back in the old days before they figured it out - no one sanitized anything - even surgical instruments. ewww!

I have no idea what this has to do with cloning anymore... lol.

[boonie stomper]

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IMHO, a better solution to keep from passing germs from patient to patient (or meat to meat preparing food) is impermeable gloves changed between each exposure, and for environmental waste reduction, heat-sterilized or otherwise trated in a 100% kill-off manner in periodic batches and reused, as they do instruments, and (otherwise method) surfaces in contact with pathogens. EWWWW... shopping carts, light switches, toilet seats, door knobs, ....

[Miss Phode]

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OK, let me start off by saying I never post in this particular forum, but...Hello all. Here I go.

This cloned meat thing scares the crap out of me. I think most of our food supply is a mess anyway, because of GMO's, lack of nutrients in the soil, hormones and antibiotics in the meat supply, etc etc etc..

But this...this is really scary to me. The thing that really irks me is from what I understand there will be no laws requiring any notification whatsoever on packaging or anything, indicating whether or not your meat is cloned, so those of us who choose to avoid it may consume it unknowingly. So anyway, I might be going back to veganism again..................