I'm Starting Over!

[Splandrea]

I lost 2.5 pounds in 8 days and that is not good enough for me. If I am going to have a high metabolic resistance, I am going to have to give it an attitude adjustment. I can list here the things I did "wrong." I am sure they had an effect:

1. I did not drink all of my water.
2. I drank 2-3 diet pepsi's a day.
3. I started exercising only three days ago and for only 20 minutes a day.
4. I have had more like 6-7 ounces of cheese per day.
5. My vegetables may have gone over a bit as well.

So, Probably the water and the cheese did this? What do you all think. Anyway, I am starting over. Tomorrow, August 27th, will be day #1 for me.

[Brook]

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Hi Andrea

You can bet that the cheese has been a major factor in what's going on. It's calorically dense and it's an easy item to go way overboard on. Unless you're weighing it on a scale, odds are you were eating even more than that.

The diet pepsi's have aspartame, and while it's not an issue for most people, it just might be for you. Add to that the additional sodium.

The water intake will make a huge difference too.

Not sure what you mean by over on veggies? Are you going over your 20 grams in total with them?

You can't really call yourself metabolically resistant if you're not following all the rules - that's how you'll gauge whether or not you are, ya know?

Remember also that starting an exercise program (or mixing your exercise routine up) can and will cause water retention for a bit. Be aware of that. Just because you're not being rewarded on the scale doesn't mean what you're doing is'nt making a huge difference. Give it time! 8 days in the whole scheme of things is but a blink.

Hang in there and give it your all!
You can do this!!
~Brook

[CalvinFish]

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I lost 2.5 pounds in 8 days and that is not good enough for me.

Two and a half pounds in 8 days is great! Imagine if you maintain that over 6 months. Lets's say 2 pounds a week, for 26 weeks. I don't think you should bank on that, but you are moving in the right direction.

I like to hold my goal as destination. Along the trail, there are up-hill and down-hill periods that are beyond my control. I just chug along, knowing how to eat and walking daily.

You are on a good clip of weight loss. If you can keep that going, you will see long term results!

Also, get rid of the things you know you are doiing incorrectly!! Water water water! Ditch the diet Pepsi! Put that out of your mind. There are no sweet drinks anymore (For now)! If you really need a cold bubbly, try 0 card seltzer water. It comes in cans in a variety of flavors. Don't count it towards your water though.

Hang in there! You are doing great!
Cheers,

Dave

[Elsie150]

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All right Andrea!!! You already knew what you were doing wrong or you couldn't have listed it for us. So way to go on realising it and starting over. You will only know if you have a high metabolic resistance if you do a clean induction. And you can...you know you can! 14 days...that is all. You can do it! Keep posting...daily if you have to to keep you motivated! And don't forget to take your measurements.

Here's to a clean induction!!!

[Elizellen]

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Good for you for realising what you have been doing 'wrong' and deciding to change.

But as you have already lost 2.5 pounds in your 'not-so-clean' induction start I would think you are probably not one of those who finds it hard to lose weight, so will not be 'highly resistant'.

If it makes you feel better, then do restart your counting of your 14 days 'clean induction' but be aware that the results you get from those 14 days will not actually be a true picture of your resistance to weightloss as you will be measuring your weightloss from your day 9 to day 23 of induction, not your first 14 days.

[cleochatra]

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Firstly, {{{splandrea}}}!


2.5 pounds in 8 days is better than some people get for induction in 2 weeks!

Still, if you've started exercising, remember you're building muscle mass, which, initially, weighs more than fat. Don't start over. Just keep going, and vow to yourself that you're doing this for the long term!

You can do this! Just pick it up at today! Keep exercising, and report here your water intake and cheese intake. If you crave cheese very much, it could also be that you might be suffering from candida. Check the forum here dealing with candida and the spit test and see what your results are.

[Splandrea]

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Thanks guys! I feel much better. I woke up this morning and weighed myself and measured myself and now i am hiding the scale and the tape measurer and doing this induction right because I just am one of those people who feels like I am not doing a good job if it is not perfect.

In the begining I did not quite understand all of the rules of induction. And BROOK, for the veggies part, I thought we could only have 2 cups of salady vegies and 1 cup of "other" veggies, right? I have never gone over 20 carbs, but I bet I have about 5 cups of vegetables a day. (I have discovered the joys of celery with ranch dressing!). This is not okay, is it??????

Anyway, I appreciate all of your help. I am ready to begin again with a better understanding, a new attitude, etc. etc. etc...

[Brook]

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Andrea- I'm glad you're feeling better!

According to DANDR, we are told we can have 2 cups of veggies from the first list and a cup of veggies from the second list - or 3 cups of veggies from the first list.
....but. (LOL)

When I started Atkins 3 1/2 years ago, I called the Atkins Center with a whole slew of questions. One of them was about the veggies.

I was told back then that the 3 cup guideline was exactly that - a guideline. It was put in there that way because most people vastly under estimate the amount of food they're eating and at that time most people didn't have access to a reliable carb counter and most people wouldn't/couldn't use a food scale. It was a guideline put out there for simplicity sake. People who use and stick with the 3 cup guideline are all but guaranteed to stay under the induction limits.

It's a *total* of 20 grams of carb, including cheese, eggs, cream, etc etc, and you can still do that with more than 3 cups of veggies and stay within induction total range.

For those who are constantly touting the 3 cup limit, I've asked the question and posed the following example several times and have yet to have one of them respond....

I'd be hard pressed to logically argue eating 2 cups of jicama (23 carbs-10 fiber=13 net carbs) and 1 cup of say spaghetti squash (7 carbs), which totally falls within the 2-3 cup induction guideline & from the correct lists (total of 20 net grams in veggies alone) against say 3 cups of romaine (3 carbs-3 fiber=0 net), 1/2 cup tomato (4 carbs-1 fiber=3 net), 1/2 cup of cucumber (1 carb), and a cup of spaghetti squash (7 carbs) which is a total of 11 grams, leaving tons of room for eggs/cheese/cream/etc., and blows the 2-3 cups right out of the water.

Bottom line, keep the carbs coming from the right sources and approach this part in the manner than works for you. It's not right and it's not wrong - it came from the same source

HTHS
~Brook

[NAUSHAD]

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I have a problem different from that of splendra.I went on Atkins and lost 26 pounds.The induction was overwhelmingly successful with about 18 lbs loss.However I slipped and went on and off.Now with induction I look like I have lost but the scale does not give me results like before.Maybe 2-3 lbs.Have I become metabolic resistant.Will this resistance go away if I persist.Last time I did not excercise at all.Will it reduce my MR if I excercise vigorously.I am new to this board and do not know how to start a new message.Hence I am posting this reply.Kindly help me out.[/

[Elizellen]

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I have reposted your question in a separate thread for you Naushad to make sure it doesnt get overlooked.

[Isabeau]

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Personally, I think if you want to do a clean induction, do it by the book meaning only the three cups of induction veggies. Experiment when you get to OWL!

[Brook]

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Again, Isabeau - explain how it's an experiment based on my example, please? More veggies from the appropriate lists for less carb count, and based on weight vs volume, which was the entire point of the general guideline laid out in DANDR? I'm still waiting for a logical response to the example.

I have yet to meet anyone that got fat eating induction appropriate veggies with induction appropriate carb counts - but that's beside the point. LOL

For the record, it's an example that came from the Atkins Center themselves 3 years ago when Dr. A was still runnin' the joint.

[cleochatra]

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Atkins starts with three cups of vegetables as a guideline and is extremely strict about which vegetables to use because of the glycemic indexes of even vegetables. Vegetables can still trigger our blood sugars.

So, while eating loads of jicama, per se, won't make a person fat, it will definitely spike the glycemic indexes, something we're trying to avoid, especially in the first two weeks.

While a guideline is just that-- a guideline-- it is meant to be followed unless there is an exception to the rule. Most people aren't those exceptions, technically speaking.

Again, it's just what my experience has been dealing with Atkins since 1984 (when Dr A was far more strict about induction veggies).

{{{everyone}}}

[Elsie150]

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Interesting discussion!!!
Just a note of interest here...when Dr. Atkins first came out with his book the internet and sites like fitday and also carb counting books were not as readily available as they are today. So the guideline would have been very helpful then.

I did my first 2 weeks induction not meeting my 20 carb limit but following the guideline. I am now on my first week of extended induction trying to get my carbs up there, my calories to my BMR and my fat down a bit.

Looking forward to more opinions about this as I, like so many newbies are listening to you all and learning.

[Brook]

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Atkins starts with three cups of vegetables as a guideline and is extremely strict about which vegetables to use because of the glycemic indexes of even vegetables. Vegetables can still trigger our blood sugars.

Not debating this at all.

So, while eating loads of jicama, per se, won't make a person fat, it will definitely spike the glycemic indexes, something we're trying to avoid, especially in the first two weeks.

The jicama example is completely induction legal and acceptable, as well as on the appropriate side of the veggie lists. Being as high fiber as it is, it's not a giant glycemic load, particularly if distributed over the course of the day as Dr. Atkins (and all of us) recommend. It would be a 7 carb shot if eaten over 2 meals..less if snacked on over the course of the day, so the blood sugar spike isn't really an arguement for this case either.

While a guideline is just that-- a guideline-- it is meant to be followed unless there is an exception to the rule. Most people aren't those exceptions, technically speaking.

Fair enough - but going by weight instead of volume isn't an exception - it's a method issue - and one that can be done with less glycemic load and more veggies for the carb buck.

Dr. Atkins was far more strict about carb (veggie) intake back when he wrote the 1972 version - but he also rewrote the book as he learned more, which is why most around here tout the 2002 version. There are induction sample menus put out by the AC that were higher than the 3 cup limit as well - so really - the entire 3 cup guideline wasn't observed by them all the time either and is touted mostly by FATs (heh Iap - I still love that) with no logical way to justify going by volume vs weight. The Atkins Center couldn't do it either.

Again - I'm not saying one way is right and one way is wrong. They were both endorsed - to me, personally - and several other old-time Atkins followers I know- as both being correct. Just different measuring methods - one being far more accurate for carb count than the other. Weight vs volume is far more accurate for counting carbs (I can pack a TON of something in a cup if I try hard enough).

Thanks for the interesting chat, Cleo I appreciate it!

~Brook