Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

[Moochiecat]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

You can be in ketosis and still crave bad carbs....the cravings are as emotional/mental as they are physical, so it can take a while for them to go away. It can also take time to learn to read our bodies again and understand whether we are truly hungry, or just bored/sad/whathaveyou when a craving hits and want to eat out of habit.

I wouldn't think of it as starting again...you will be doing an Extended Induction, which a lot of people choose to do if they have a substantial amount of weight to lose. I had about 70 pounds to lose and I stayed on Extended for over 4 months.

If you are concerned about being on a diet when thanksgiving hits, then you need to sit down...read DANDR thoroughly, and learn that you CAN eat like a Queen during big holidays...you just have to choose the correct foods, and make your own 'treats' if having treats is important to you. It can be done.
Life is going to be full of holidays, birthdays, special occasions that include food. You need to make the committment to stick to what you are allowed to eat...and honestly, there's TONS of stuff a person can have during the holiday season...as long as you know your Acceptable Foods list and the Rules of Induction.

On page 127 of DANDR there's a note at the bottom of the page that explains the effect caffiene has on our bodies and why it can trigger cravings in some people.

I look forward to having a look at your menus in Review My Menu.

[BabyDreamer]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

Grace,
You have plenty of time to start over before Thanksgiving because this is not a "diet". It is a way of life that you will never leave, even on holidays. On Thanksgiving you can eat turkey, legal veggies and there is even pumpkin custard out there (the recipe is on the board). This is forever and it is a new way of eating for your health and not just to lose weight. So, feel free to begin anew and go right through Thanksgiving.

As for your questions, I will do my best to answer, but Cleo, Kent or anyone who is more well-versed may jump in and correct me at anytime.

Ok, let me see...

* The Atkins bars are not allowed on Atkins induction because they are not whole foods and contain foods not allowed on induction such as flours, rice and nuts. They are processed foods and people avoid them. They have sugar alcohols and were allowed only in emergencies and against the advice of Dr. Atkins himself.
* The tuna is perfectly fine.
* Egg substitutes do have carbs. If a product has <.5 then manufacturers are not made to put the carb on there. Just as a regular egg has .6 of a carb. Most people count an egg as a carb each, so you should do the same with your Egg Beaters.
*bacon is allowed, but you should try to find the "no sugar" added variety. I live in a town of less than 1000 and our store has it from "Field". It is allowed even with the sugar on induction.
* hot dogs fall into the processed foods category and have nitrates usually, but I think most people eat them (I do, but I buy Kosher because there is no added sugar). Even though the label says 0 carbs, count 1 each.
* Splenda is allowed, but it can stall some people. Splenda has one carb per little packet. If you drink one soda with Splenda, you need to count that as one carb too. You are only allowed three little packets of it a day.

I hope this helps you to get started. Best of luck to you. This is a WOE that will reward you so quickly once you do it completely that you will feel great and not want to have the other bad foods anymore.

Deb

OKay... So let me get this straight... these are all illegal during induction??
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY & explain it to me like I'm a six-yr-old. Thanks. http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...=0&forumid=73#

* Atkins Advantage bars -- why?? It has no sugar

* water-packed tuna -- because it has vegetable broth even though it adds no carbs ?? <-- This is the one buggin' me

* egg substitute -- even tho' it's made from egg whites & has no carbs ??

* bacon w/ sugar -- even tho' it's really hard to find bacon w/o sugar & the package says it has no carbs???

* Hot dogs -- just checked 'em..they have no sugar but "celery juice" is listed as an ingredient (these are organic)

Just need to know which of the above are illegal.

- g.

[BabyDreamer]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

Moochie,

It is a WOL and it certainly has changed mine for the better already! Amen sister! I am planning a Thanksgiving feast!!!

Deb

You can be in ketosis and still crave bad carbs....the cravings are as emotional/mental as they are physical, so it can take a while for them to go away. It can also take time to learn to read our bodies again and understand whether we are truly hungry, or just bored/sad/whathaveyou when a craving hits and want to eat out of habit.

I wouldn't think of it as starting again...you will be doing an Extended Induction, which a lot of people choose to do if they have a substantial amount of weight to lose. I had about 70 pounds to lose and I stayed on Extended for over 4 months.

If you are concerned about being on a diet when thanksgiving hits, then you need to sit down...read DANDR thoroughly, and learn that you CAN eat like a Queen during big holidays...you just have to choose the correct foods, and make your own 'treats' if having treats is important to you. It can be done.
Life is going to be full of holidays, birthdays, special occasions that include food. You need to make the committment to stick to what you are allowed to eat...and honestly, there's TONS of stuff a person can have during the holiday season...as long as you know your Acceptable Foods list and the Rules of Induction.

On page 127 of DANDR there's a note at the bottom of the page that explains the effect caffiene has on our bodies and why it can trigger cravings in some people.

I look forward to having a look at your menus in Review My Menu.

[iyamamaschke]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

Yes, I agree totally you can have a great Thanks Giving without having all the other stuff that you used to gorge on. It's a way of life and being it's that you gotta cook to live this way it can't be on again off again. I know that you really want this and wanna get to your goal. I can tell just by how frusturated and disappointed you are. Don't lose faith in yourself you didn't know these things and so yes, I would try to do a clean induction there are soo many options out there for you to eat.

I lost the first 2 weeks of induction YES I did I won't lie I lost 12 pounds I was 100 pounds heavier then you are now. However after the 2 weeks I began exercising and coupled with that and being my 3rd week I didn't lose anything for 6 weeks after the first 2 I lost inches though. There is always hope you just gotta belive in yourself whole heartedly and give it more of a go. Sometimes when you give up that's when the Big changes start happening.

When you started I am assuming you are a woman where were you in your cycle?? TOM is another HUGE culprit in the pre induction Blues from no weight loss you may very well have lost and your period is on the way and masked all your efforts.

Like 2BIG also said when you begin to exercise your muscles fill with fluid I actually gained 5 pounds when I started exercising this was the 6 weeks after the first 2 where I didn't lose anything. I was sooo ready to give up throw in the towel but, I didn't I have been Cheat Free now for 1 year tomorrow and am Down 92 pounds. I never would have thought in a hundred years in the beginning with that huge stall and no weight loss that I would have lost this much so far.

Please don't give up on yourself and your happiness you are worth all the effort you ahve put forward and you will get that in return just stick it out you will be rewarded in the end. I am sure of it.

Sarah

[BabyDreamer]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

Sarah,

Well said my skinny friend! You are amazing. Look at you shrinking girl! WOW! Hey, in April when I got married I would never have dreamed I would be down 51 pounds doing Atkins all alone and messing up. I am so glad I now have my Atkins family to support me and correct me when I slip and fall on my rapidly shrinking tushy!

Deb

Yes, I agree totally you can have a great Thanks Giving without having all the other stuff that you used to gorge on. It's a way of life and being it's that you gotta cook to live this way it can't be on again off again. I know that you really want this and wanna get to your goal. I can tell just by how frusturated and disappointed you are. Don't lose faith in yourself you didn't know these things and so yes, I would try to do a clean induction there are soo many options out there for you to eat.

I lost the first 2 weeks of induction YES I did I won't lie I lost 12 pounds I was 100 pounds heavier then you are now. However after the 2 weeks I began exercising and coupled with that and being my 3rd week I didn't lose anything for 6 weeks after the first 2 I lost inches though. There is always hope you just gotta belive in yourself whole heartedly and give it more of a go. Sometimes when you give up that's when the Big changes start happening.

When you started I am assuming you are a woman where were you in your cycle?? TOM is another HUGE culprit in the pre induction Blues from no weight loss you may very well have lost and your period is on the way and masked all your efforts.

Like 2BIG also said when you begin to exercise your muscles fill with fluid I actually gained 5 pounds when I started exercising this was the 6 weeks after the first 2 where I didn't lose anything. I was sooo ready to give up throw in the towel but, I didn't I have been Cheat Free now for 1 year tomorrow and am Down 92 pounds. I never would have thought in a hundred years in the beginning with that huge stall and no weight loss that I would have lost this much so far.

Please don't give up on yourself and your happiness you are worth all the effort you ahve put forward and you will get that in return just stick it out you will be rewarded in the end. I am sure of it.

Sarah

[Becky Sue]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

Have you been on many diets before? I tried MANY diets thru my life and I was a very metabolic resistant to losing weight.
Also another thought, even if you drink, tea, sodas with splenda, you still need to drink you required water per day. After looking at your stats, you need to drink 75 to 80 oz. of water per day.
Don't even think of quiting!! Some of us just have to fine tune the eating plan. The experts will have some answers after they look over your menu. Have you posted it yet?

[tabekat]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

Grace - heres what you do. You keep going. I went from a size 22 to a size 16 on Atkins in 3 months and I didn't lose a pound. Ignore the scale. It can tell you NOTHING about you.

I'm sure your whoosh fairy is coming.
Be patient.

There are many, many people on this board who had to keep going on faith.
I even met someone who had to wait 3 months for weight loss. But yes, she kept going down in sizes.

I didn't see any information about your current weight? How much weight are you hoping to lose?

[gracenote]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

OKay, I missed that. I posted a menu here. I will move it to Review My Menu. But if you want to comment, go ahead.

The problem with doing this for two more weeks is that someone is coming to visit me in two more weeks who is a vegetarian...:-( My life is complicated.
Maybe I could do two weeks of induction starting from Monday the 31st. The last time I had a bar was on Sunday the 30th. Other than that, I think I have been compliant.

But ok, I will try to work with you guys to fix this. Thanks for your confidence.

G.

P.S. Is marjoram allowed? I think it's a spice not an herb.

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5235
That is a link to help you understand Fitday, what it can do to help you and what to look for.

I'd like to see you posting some of your menu's on the Review My Menu Forum as suggested so we can really see what you are eating. Take a moment and read the sticky in there that tells how to post a menu so we have the info we need to review it properly.

There are some folks who are very metabolically resistant, they can benefit from Atkins, it just takes longer....but I hesitate to think that about you just yet.

What you can do now is pledge to do a proper clean induction for two more weeks, and see how it goes. Make sure you are drinking the required amounts of water (64 ounces, plus 8 ounces for each 25 pounds you want to lose)
Weigh yourself and take full body measurements (measure everything!! Of all things, I lost a lot off my arms and wrists! I never thought to measure wrists!) and record them somewhere. Your weight loss may not show up on the scale, but your body can be shrinking.

We'll get to the bottom of this!!!

[gracenote]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

Okay, I keep going. But I didn't want to Induction much longer. It is unpleasant. :-( I am still craving carbs. Someone said I need to eat more fat. HOw do I do t hat without actually eating butter by the stick?

I am 5'3", 185 lbs. I want to be 135. Well, actually, I want to be 107, but I am trying to be realistic. I would even be happy at 140. I am somwhere between a 16 and an 18 depending on what I try on, but lately it's been inching closer to 18 for sure. :-/

The reason I am so disappointed is that I have heard all these stories of really rapid weight loss from people on this board and other fora.

G.

Grace - heres what you do. You keep going. I went from a size 22 to a size 16 on Atkins in 3 months and I didn't lose a pound. Ignore the scale. It can tell you NOTHING about you.

I'm sure your whoosh fairy is coming.
Be patient.

There are many, many people on this board who had to keep going on faith.
I even met someone who had to wait 3 months for weight loss. But yes, she kept going down in sizes.

I didn't see any information about your current weight? How much weight are you hoping to lose?

[slimndown]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

You seem like a trooper - the only way you can see changes is if you stick with it. You might try using the ketosis/lipolysis testing strip Dr A talked about. You can find those in the pharmacy section of most drug stores. Then you can see if you are actually burning fat - even if you don't see it on the scale. I have a fairly high metabolic resistance and I really cannot believe how much sweeteners or the consumption of caffeine actually keeps me from losing weight. I noticed the diet sodas and tea in your diet, so I just want to make sure you are considering those. I'm positive you'll get somewhere soon, for some of us it just takes some more time. The biggest obstacle with this way of eating is changing our lives and our habits around it no matter what is going on. I also find that eating a piece of cheese when I have a craving that won't go away seems to help, probably because of the fat content. Take care!

[NoMorePumpkin]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

Grace,

I don't have anything to add so far that hasn't already been said except...

YOUR Mileage May Vary...

in other words, you can NOT compare your journey with others.

Your body is going to lose at its own pace. While it is very inspirational to read other's success stories and be in awe of how FAST others are losing, that is OTHERS. This sucks, I agree. I, like you, was in awe of the quick losses of others. It just doesn't work for everyone the same way. Be patient. Be committed. This is a Way of Life, not a diet. You are going to face struggles daily and you're going to have to figure out how to work them into your NEW WOL. The friend that's coming to visit, great!! Eat lots of veggies with her (non-starchy, of course).

My 2 cents.

Good Luck! Please do not give up!!

Hugs ,
Punkin-kid

[gracenote]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

You know, it's possible that I am not getting my required water, if it's that high. That is more than half a gallon. How did you calculate that figure?

I know that I drink at least a quart because I refill my water bottle every day.

Grace

[Bren]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

Grace,

Are you on any medications?

[not2late]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

Be aware about the carbs on the labels of foods. There's a sticky post above that explains "0" carbs.

In terms of your vegetarian friend...why would the visit be a problem for you? This person has choosen to be a vegetarian. You have choosen not to be. You shouldn't allow other people's dietary decisions influence yours.

[2big4mysize]

Re: Not an ounce. Now what? :-(

you don't have to start over just move ahaed with another week of induction.

Atkins is a ketogenic plan ( that means high fat) up to 65%Of your cals should be from fats.

Eggs are about a perfect Atkins ratio food. When you eat eggbeaters the fat is removedso you have to ad a fat. Dietary fats keep the engine primed to burn fats for fuel in the absence of carbs. If you eat too much protein or too low fat your liver will convert the excess protein it cant store as amino acids into glucose which will be metabolized onstead of the fats.

Fit you use the free www.fitday.com account to log your foods you can see the percents each is in your daily total you are stiving for 65% of the cals form good fat sources, 30% from proteins and 5% carbs. During induction it is hard to get them all perfect so just strive for closeness. Some metabolically resistan folk need it increase their fats even higher to almost 75% in order to get things moving.

As to the water water is important to humans we are actually big water bags. Hard to believe that when you look at somebody that they are almost 90% water. Thirst and hunger control mechanisms are side by side in the brain and many times when you are dehydrated the chems spill out into the hunger area and you think you need to eat when you are really thirsty. so if you are craving sweets try drinking a big glass of water and see if in 20 min the sensation is gone. The FAQ on why you need to drink water to lose weight will explain invery scinetific reasons why you need more water. Our Admin Bren was stalled out in 2003 and all she did was double her water intake and poof pounds started melting off. the Atkins plan has a natural diuretic effect too so you are even more dehydrated then when you started doing Atkins.

You don't have to eat butter by the stick a tablesppon or two added to your meals will dramatically increase your fat intake.

your tuna is fine as is your bacon and hotdog.if and only if you as in individual have sodium issues do you need to restrict your sodium intake on the plan. you do how however want to learn to eat real foods so you can control the stuff going in your body. your salmon meal sounds wounderful.

You do want to spread those carbs out so you don't spike your system from a bolus of carbs at one meal.That too can cause cravings. So please have some of your carbs at each meal with some protein and fat.

Lastly even legal Atkins foods can give you the individual trouble. I myself get cravings ifd I consume celery or Splenda. I'm a ceophalic responder and my body says yum sugar when my tastebuds say yum sugar so i have to avoid the stuff sweetened with Splenda.

Did you know for yrs before the Atkins site was redone this yr they had an entire section on what to do when the bars stalled you. Now why would a company making a food that is fine and legal need to have a section like that? Seems lots and lots of folk like you were eating them and stalling out. The cure for the stall was stop eating them until a later phase in your Atkins when your metabolism could handle them better if you ever could.


So you need to log your foods and watch your ratios, drink your water, continue eating induction a little longer, don't fear the healthy fats,spread out your carbs, keep doing your exercise, make friends with your tape measure so you can see the inches of fat being shed while you are adding lean muscle mass and holding onto fluids cause your body thinks it is in a desert and dehydrated take your needed supplements and you too will be a loser.

Happy low carbing