Where is that weight loss coming from?

[xven]

Re: Where is that weight loss coming from?

still waiting for those studies

As far as that's concerned, I haven't been able to find any to support my stand. It is possible to have some gain in muscle without a lot of exercise, but nothing substantial. I did find a study that said mice gained some/kept muscle without exercise on a high fat diet, but then again, these were genetically altered. And to quote " But for now the technology is limited to producing mightier mice." There are no "magic" foods. Well, till now atleast.

Humans *are* animals. That aside, if you find basing evidence of how animals react on various studies stupid comparisons I'd be loathe to take meds, vitamins, minerals or anything else were I in your shoes. Those studies started out on the animals you think it's stupid to base evidence on.

Oh, is that right? Then fido here should live to a good average -human- age, shouldn't he? Is that why he can have distemper and I can't. We're the same, but still very different. What affects an animal, may not affect another kind or human and vice-versa. Similarly, foods, bodily fuctions, etc. differ from specie to specie. Metabolism, heart rate, immunity, and several other factors. Not only is it cruel, but I do find it quite retarded to completely base facts/evidence on animals that aren't the same species.

As for your quick 6lbs, almost all macronutrient restrictions (diets in whatever form) produce a diuretic effect, as Sheila pointed out. You've experienced this. Studies I've read talk about the body canabolizing no more than 1-3oz of muscle tissue a day for energy conversions in an "emergency" state - so even if you were losing muscle mass, which I find *extremely* doubtful in a 2700 calorie a day feed, you'd be looking at a max of 2.6lbs over a period of 14 days. I find that highly improbable, and it has certainly not been my own personal experience or the experience of low-carbers I know (and I know a *lot* of these buggers ).

You got that right. Checking the past few days, I was up 6 pounds, and now down a pound again. I'm not going to base anything on the scale. That thing's been acting crazy. Anyway, thanks for your input.

[2big4mysize]

Re: Where is that weight loss coming from?

here is the UConn test results on the 3rd page second paragragh left had column. http://www.ccjm.org/pdffiles/Volek1102.pdf as you can see they very accurately measure body mass changes and were very surprized that lean body tissue increased in humans without any change in physical activity.

[xven]

Re: Where is that weight loss coming from?

Gotta say, I'm surprised. Well, point well proven and taken.

[Brook]

Re: Where is that weight loss coming from?

Oh, is that right? Then fido here should live to a good average -human- age, shouldn't he? Is that why he can have distemper and I can't. We're the same, but still very different. What affects an animal, may not affect another kind or human and vice-versa. Similarly, foods, bodily fuctions, etc. differ from specie to specie. Metabolism, heart rate, immunity, and several other factors. Not only is it cruel, but I do find it quite retarded to completely base facts/evidence on animals that aren't the same species.

Wait a minute..did you just try to use a study on MICE and then get snarky about my comment about animals? LOLOL

Please, quote where I said ANYTHING about "completely base facts/evidence" on animal studies and then we'll have something to talk about

It seems to me that you've been cut off at the pass with your various hypothesis several times. I think it's fabulous to think outside the box, but I also think it's possible to debate or make points without snark - especially when you're trying to play both sides of the animal study fence

Continued success.
~Brook