Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

[reneewl123]

Hi everyone!

I just finished reading the book and am starting tomorrow. I have a question regarding what happens after the initial two weeks. Reading the book, the only thing I saw was that we can do induction for at least 6 months without any ill effects (and possibly longer, I'm guessing). I will be doing extended induction after the two weeks, probably about 6 months, is my guess, before moving into OWL. Now, I understand a bit about OWL like the carb ladder and all, though I focused on induction in my reading since that's my life for about 6 months. Then, I've been reading the boards for the last few days and reading about induction and extended induction on the two respective boards and will be posting this there as well in case that is the better board to ask the question.

Okay, my question is, since I'm vegetarian (I just don't like meat), I will be focusing on eggs, cheese, my 20 olives and my 3 cups of veggies every day. After the two weeks, though, I'd like to increase my veggies. Can I do that on extended induction, going up to 25 or 30 grams of carbs per day or would that technically be going on to OWL rather than extended induction. I'll suffer if it forces me to the next level, but basically I only want to increase veggies, not cheese, nuts, etc. I don't want to work up the rungs of the ladder, just add more veggies since I'll be here a while and none of the induction foods are really my favorite thing except the olives and veggies, though I can definitely handle eggs and cheese...I just want a little more variety. I know doing the diet as a vegetarian is a lot harder and, given that circumstance, would it be bad to do that or do I have to just wait my 6 months in misery? *L*

Thanks for all your help. It's just that, on the boards, I've seen apparent "rules" for extended induction that I don't remember reading in the book. Clarification would be great!

Renee

[kealoha]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

If I remember correctly, adding more veggies (and subsequently more carbs) is the first rung of OWL. So, technically, you'd be moving on to OWL rather than staying on extended induction.

[Brook]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

Extended induction is indicative of remaining at the 20ish carb gram level but including OWL foods.

Don't get too wrapped up in the technicalities. We'll adore you and support you whether you call it extended induction or OWL

~Brook

[2big4mysize]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

pleae go to our FAQ section and get the topic on doing Atkins vegetarian. the info in it was from Dr Atkins medical practice back when he was treating vegetarians with his plan.

you eat soy proteins duting your induction too stuff like bocca burgers and some other adjustments.

You might want to look in our OWL board for the stickie on doing modified OWL where you are food from the rungs of OWL but keep your carbs well below your CCLL. that will give you nuts and seeds too

Happy low carbimng

[not2late]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

Hey Brook, we defined "Extended Induction", "Modified OWL", etc. when you were AWOL from ADBB. Here's the stuffy stuff stuff.


"Extended Induction" means you are simply extending the Induction phase beyond the first 14 days of the diet. You are still following the Induction Rules and eating only the foods on the Induction Acceptable Foods list.

"Modified OWL" means you are remaining at Induction level net carbs but you are incorporating OWL foods and following OWL rules. This is legal because back in the day Dr. Atkins was alive and you called the Atkins Center Hotline, Dr. Atkins' nurses advised that you could do something like that.

"OWL" means you are increasing carbs and adding OWL foods. Carb increases during OWL are in 5 net carb increments and done in a step-wise manner outlined in the book.

"Pre-Maintenance" is the final weight loss phase of the Atkins Nutritional Approach. Carb increases are in 10 net carb increments and done in a step-wise manner similar to OWL.

The ADBB terminology is based on Induction Rules 3-5. According to the Rules, if you eat more than 20 net carbs, you aren't doing Induction; if you eat fruit, bread, pasta, grains, starchy veggies, dairy other than cheese/cream/butter, you aren't doing Induction; if you eat anything not on the Acceptable Foods list, you aren't doing Induction.

3. Eat no more than 20 grams a day of carbohydrate, most of which must come in the form of salad greens and other vegetables. You can eat approximately three loosely packed cups of salad, or two cups of salad plus one cup of other vegetables (see Acceptable Foods).

4. Eat absolutely no fruit, bread, pasta, grains, starchy vegetables or dairy products other than cheese, cream or butter. Do not eat nuts or seeds in the first two weeks. Foods that combine protein and carbohydrates, such as chickpeas, kidney beans and other legumes, are not permitted at this time.

5. Eat nothing that isn't on the Acceptable Foods list. And that means absolutely nothing. Your "just this one taste won't hurt" rationalization is the kiss of failure during this phase of Atkins.

The terminology is a bit tedious, but it's necessary in order to avoid confusion. In the past, "extended Induction" meant anything from extending the Induction phase to "modified OWL" to your own low carb program. The lack of standard definitions caused a great deal of confusion and strife on the ADBB boards.

[Brook]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

I stand corrected. Thank you for the update, Megs!!

[Elsie150]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

Since I know from first hand experience that you can lose weight doing OWL:
2 weeks induction=12
2 weeks extended induction=3
1 month OWL=9
2 months OWL=8
3 months OWL=8
Total= 40 pounds
I highly encourage you to start climbing the rungs...both to broaden your vegie and dairy choices and your protein choices. If you read the boards you will see quite a few people who stalled out on induction then started losing again once they went to OWL. JMO

[reneewl123]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

Okay, I decided to just try to learn to like meat. It's kind of working as long as I don't think about what I'm eating. Ick. *L*

[Elsie150]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

Well the meat will definately help you feel more satisfied and help with you getting your protein in. Congrats on the 5 pounds down!

[not2late]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

Okay, I decided to just try to learn to like meat. It's kind of working as long as I don't think about what I'm eating. Ick. *L*

tofu is a completely acceptable Induction protein source. It is the "soy cheese" mentioned in the Cheese footnote.

There's no need for you to punish yourself by eating foods you don't like.

[cleochatra]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

Renee-- if it makes you feel ANY better, I hated meat when I started Atkins, too. Now I actually crave a good beef roast, eggs or pork! Strange, but true. Tastes do change when we learn to live without the processed foods.

[sallyseachange]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

Don't be afraid to move to OWL after induction. It works just fine. You can stay at any rung as long as you like too, so you could stay on rung one and add all the veggies you like.
Sal

[Dyan]

Re: Starting Tomorrow - A Question (Crosspost)

tofu is a completely acceptable Induction protein source. It is the "soy cheese" mentioned in the Cheese footnote.

There's no need for you to punish yourself by eating foods you don't like.

I agree. Trying to force yourself to eat something that you don't like will only set you up for failure in the long run. Besides, one of the joys about Atkins is that it's flexiable enough to allow us to find what works for us rather than being forced into a 'one diet fits all' mold.

I used to be vegatarian, and what I recall about those days is that I always had to be a bit more creative about my food choices than meat-eaters. This is no different ............ you can do Atkins; you just need to continue being creative and to explore different options.