what happends when your ratio's are off

[lola101]

Hi everyone!
This is a question my friend, who is on induction right now, wanted me to ask.. since I didn't really know the answer.
She is done her first week of induction but she didn't know about the 65-30-5 ratio you are suppose to have. She told me she hasn't been eating much fat at all.. so she was worried when I told her that you are suppose to.
So anyway, we were wondering if this would greatly affect her weight loss or anything else?
Also, does anyone know if Quark cheese is allowed during induction? It's pretty much like cream cheese.
Thanks

[Heidi3]

Re: what happends when your ratio's are off

I am not into ratios but I can tell you that Quark is fine it is like sour creamy/cream cheese as long as it is pure cream no fillers you are ok to use it ...prudently ..check the label I love real quark of course I just like saying the word "quark"

[not2late]

Re: what happends when your ratio's are off

Listen....this is the deal about the ratios.....

When Duke University did a study on the ATkins Diet, they analysed the ATkins menues and found those ratios.

My advice is this, unless you are too brainwashed by the low-fat craze and cannot bring yourself to eat added fat or naturally fatty foods, check your ratios or if you think you're eating too much fat (like the folks who eat a stick of butter daily), you can check your ratios and see what they are. Otherwise, you don't have to follow them.

As for the amount of fat you need to add to your meals, it takes very little added fat to make your meals over 50% fat. 1 to 1 1/2 tablespoons of butter or mayo or olive oil is all it takes. There is no need to eat cups of butter or drink gallons of olive oil per day. There is a sticky thread near the top of the forum that explains how much fat you need to eat and it is explained in more detail.

[2big4mysize]

Re: what happends when your ratio's are off

there are many low carb weight loss plans out therethat will work. Atkins is the only high fat one. Dr Atkins felt that with the appetite suppression you will be getting and the blood sugar control those were the way to go. If you eat too much protein then that protein will be converting to sugar for fat storage which will be raising your blood sugar levels and you will be triggerring insulin release which is a fat storing hormone.

Actually they didn't anylize the menues. Dr Atkins told them to use those ratios as they were in constant contact with him and his med center during those studies.

[not2late]

Re: what happends when your ratio's are off

Let me clarify my last post....

When i said you don't have to follow them, I meant to say you don't have to sit in front of your computer everyday at every meal to see if you "made" the ratios. If you follow the Rules and the Foods list, you should make those ratios naturally.

2Big, here's the study. http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/140/10/769

According to them, they figured out the composition "on the basis of food records collected at each visit from a subsample of participants (13 from the low-carbohydrate diet group and 7 from the low-fat diet group.) "

Also the ratios are a bit higher than the ratios quoted here (that's why I'm not particularly a stickler with the ratios.)

What is interesting is that the vegetable allotment for the study was 2 cups "salad veggies" and 1 cup "other veggies". 3 cups from the salad list wasn't an option to the test subjects according to the study. So, if Dr. Atkins was in contact and advising them throughout the study, perhaps then, the 2 cups 'salad' veggie + 1 cup 'other' veggie is the more accurate way to go?

[2big4mysize]

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Megs we had a memeber here back in 2004 in the CC forum who was in that Duke study and she told us whenever any question arose about anything they would contact Dr Atkins and then tell the atkins group the answer like that is where the one cup of pork rings a day induction limit info came from.

She said they didn't serve them meals they educated them and then allowed them to eat and log their own foods which might be why the ratios were not exact too.

[not2late]

Re: what happends when your ratio's are off

The study says the test subjects were educated about Atkins and devised their own meals/menues.

Using a popular diet book published by a lay press and additional handouts, trained research staff instructed participants to restrict intake of carbohydrates to less than 20 g/d (4). Participants were permitted unlimited amounts of animal foods (meat, fowl, fish, and shellfish), unlimited eggs, 4 oz of hard cheese, 2 cups of salad vegetables (such as lettuce, spinach, or celery), and 1 cup of low-carbohydrate vegetables (such as broccoli, cauliflower, or squash) daily. Participants were encouraged to drink 6 to 8 glasses of water daily. When participants were halfway to their goal body weight (determined at the week 10 visit with assistance from research personnel), they were advised to add approximately 5 g of carbohydrates to their daily intake each week until they reached a level at which body weight was maintained. To simulate the practice of the study sponsor, the low-carbohydrate diet group also received daily nutritional supplements (multivitamin, essential oils, diet formulation, and chromium picolinate; for a list of the composition of these supplements, see the Appendix)

But you have a point about the accuracy of the food journals, because the study states that "A sample of participants (13 in the low-carbohydrate diet group and 7 in the low-fat diet group) who completed the study was selected for food record analysis by the research staff on the basis of adequacy of detail in their records. A registered dietitian analyzed the food records by using a nutrition software program (Nutritionist Five, version 1.6 [First DataBank, Inc., San Bruno, California]). " So it looks like they selected the folks who kept the best food journals to analyze.

[Atkid]

Re: what happends when your ratio's are off

My advice is this, unless you are too brainwashed by the low-fat craze and cannot bring yourself to eat added fat or naturally fatty foods, check your ratios or if you think you're eating too much fat (like the folks who eat a stick of butter daily), you can check your ratios and see what they are. Otherwise, you don't have to follow them.

I don't eat a stick of butter a day ( actually don't eat butter at all) but I do have 3 tablespoons of cream cheese a day. Is this too much fat?

[not2late]

Re: what happends when your ratio's are off

I don't eat a stick of butter a day ( actually don't eat butter at all) but I do have 3 tablespoons of cream cheese a day. Is this too much fat?

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Cream cheese is a cheese, so it's subject to the 3-4 ounces daily Cheese rule. You might want to weigh your tablespoon amount and see its weight.

[Atkid]

Re: what happends when your ratio's are off

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Cream cheese is a cheese, so it's subject to the 3-4 ounces daily Cheese rule. You might want to weigh your tablespoon amount and see its weight.

My bad, I should have said 3 oz. (I use the single l oz. packets).
Guess I am staying within the quota for the day. Must be something else causing me not to lose.

[lola101]

Re: what happends when your ratio's are off

thanks! and Heidi.. I like saying quark too heh.. much more fun than cream cheese!