Is ZERO carbs ok?

[idahogirl]

Re: Is ZERO carbs ok?

WOW I feel for the person who asked the question! They are just starting out and there head is probably now spinning because I know mine is. I have no idea who is right on any of it. HMMMM maybe I will have to do a little research myself.

[surreys_princess]

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here is the thing i dont think you guys are getting....

this isnt about lo carbs, the question was about NO CARBS....eskimos and all, they have carbs...neolithic/paleo groups, have nuts and berries, containing carbs...YOU NEED CARBS...i am sorry, there is no 2 ways around it...
healthy carbs and unhealthy carbs, different topic..lo carb, high carb, different topic..again, this was about ZERO carbs...

i am sorry you dont agree with me, and as i said, to each their own...but i wont not say anything when i think something unsafe is being said, and saying we dont need ANY carbs because our body makes its own, is unsafe, especially to a new person, in my opinion...no carbs, your body attacks muscle for them...it is just that simple...


http://starbulletin.com/2007/03/10/features/health.html


Q: Can carbohydrates sabotage weight loss? A: Both too little and too much carbohydrate can complicate weight loss. Too little can cause muscle to break down to provide needed glucose. Excess carbohydrate, ingested at the expense of required protein, also can cause muscle breakdown. Eating a moderately low-calorie diet with adequate carbohydrate and protein promotes fat loss, inhibits lean tissue loss and will help to lower weight over time.

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/...It-Use-It.html

Although protein synthesis is very important, the body's number one priority is to obtain sufficient energy to carry on vital functions such as circulation, respiration and digestion. Therefore, in the absence of adequate dietary carbohydrates and fat calories, the body will break down not only dietary protein but protein in the blood, liver, pancreas, muscles, and other tissues in order to maintain vital organs and functions

[LowCarbLara]

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here is the thing i dont think you guys are getting....

this isnt about lo carbs, the question was about NO CARBS....eskimos and all, they have carbs...neolithic/paleo groups, have nuts and berries, containing carbs...YOU NEED CARBS...i am sorry, there is no 2 ways around it...
healthy carbs and unhealthy carbs, different topic..lo carb, high carb, different topic..again, this was about ZERO carbs...

i am sorry you dont agree with me, and as i said, to each their own...but i wont not say anything when i think something unsafe is being said, and saying we dont need ANY carbs because our body makes its own, is unsafe, especially to a new person, in my opinion...no carbs, your body attacks muscle for them...it is just that simple...

Wow, no need to be rude and insulting. I do in fact 'get' that this is about no carbs rather than low carbs/healthy carbs. And neolithic and paleolithic groups are two different things (paleolithic is considered pre-agricultural and neolithic is post-agricultural - generally - and therefore have quite different diets).

The first article you posted looked like it was from some newspaper, and the second seems to come from a website that subscribes to and promotes the traditional theories around carbs. Neither of them prove anything. I could just as easily quote Dr. Eades, who states that dietary carbs are not necessary.

Phsyiologically, dietary carbs are nice (and, truth be told, difficult to avoid unless you're making a concerted effort not to consume them), but unnecessary.

[surreys_princess]

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i was being neither rude nor insutling...posts after were talking about low carbs and whatnot, at least that is what i thought, and i wanted to say that we were talking about no carbs whatsoever...

i was simply saying that other groups that another person who posted were mentioning, had lots of carbs in their diets, not none...

either way, as i said, to each their own, and nothing about me is rude, or insulting...sorry....you were rather snippy after my first post, apparently you had a bad day as you later mentioned..i was simply treating others as i felt i was being treated here...

the fact that mods nor administrators have really stepped in, frustrates me...we depend on this site for information that helps us, not harms us...makes me wonder what i have listened to here that can be dangerous.....

i am done arguing with people...i will continue to believe what i believe, and trust in my education and knowledge, because that is what works for me...

[Snuggles11]

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The only accounts of the body surviving on a zero carb diet is the diet of the traditional innuet people who survived on whale and seal fat and meat, however they only did that for part of the year out of necessity and their bodies essentially went into a low functioning, "hybernation" phase as a result which indicates that this is not a way for the body to survive for any length of time.

Carbs are necessary for many reasons. You get many nutrients from those foods that contain carbs. In addition, carbs are essential for maintaining a normally functioning body.

On a side note, and to those who are reading this: LowCarbLara is incorrect. Please be careful how much faith you put into the postings on here. Many of us are amatuers and post what we believe to be true, however, we are not doctors and the postings on here should be taken with a somewhat grain of salt. Do not let ANYONE tell you something as serious as taking every single carb out of your diet unless that person is a certified doctor. They are the only ones who have the right to give suggestions like this to be considered law...the rest of the postings are OPINIONS ONLY.

[Snuggles11]

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innuet= inuit (sorry, spelling)

[Laurenfra]

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I think the answer is that we need to have vitamins,minerals and fiber that come only from fruits and vegis. With out those we are not as healthy. Atkins is about getting healthy, so we must injest the carbs that comes with the fruit and vegis. Weather or not we need the carbs is mute we need the vitamins ,minerals and fiber.

[LowCarbLara]

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either way, as i said, to each their own, and nothing about me is rude, or insulting...sorry....you were rather snippy after my first post, apparently you had a bad day as you later mentioned..i was simply treating others as i felt i was being treated here...

I believe you have me confused with possysmith.

On a side note, and to those who are reading this: LowCarbLara is incorrect. Please be careful how much faith you put into the postings on here. Many of us are amatuers and post what we believe to be true, however, we are not doctors and the postings on here should be taken with a somewhat grain of salt. Do not let ANYONE tell you something as serious as taking every single carb out of your diet unless that person is a certified doctor. They are the only ones who have the right to give suggestions like this to be considered law...the rest of the postings are OPINIONS ONLY.

OK fine. Here are some quotes from Dr. Michael Eades and Dr. Mary Dan Eades, cardiologists (from The Protein Power Lifeplan):

'Protein is the only truly essential macronuitrient. Fat is also essential, but you can go a lot longer without fat than you can without protein. (Carbohydrates, the third macronutrient, are totally unessential to human health.)' (Pg. 9)

'So what are the facts regarding carbohydrates? First and foremost, they're totally nonessential to your health and well-being. Although you'll hear from nutritional "authorities" all the time that you "must have carbohydrates for energy," that's simply not true. The body has all the machinery it needs to manufacture its own carbohydrate out of fat and protein. If you ate zero carbohydrates (which traditional Eskimos do much of the year, since at their high latitude there isn't any edible vegetation to speak of), you'd do fine as long as you got enough good protein, good fat, water, and minerals. We know that may sound like nutritional heresy, but its the plain truth, and you should know it. You don't need them at all, but that doesn't mean that you can't tolerate some in your diet.' (Pg. 322)


FTR, I never disputed the fact that you can stock up on vitamins and minerals by eating certain foods that contain carbs, just that fact that carbohydrates themselves are not essential.

[ray]

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No need for anyone to get snippy at one another. Let us not ruin our reputation because of a difference of opinions. We are all okay. We are all here to provide support and gudance in our weight loss endeavors. Let us never forget that. We all need one another whether we admit it or not. I know I sure as he!! do. To the orignal poster I think it is a resounding we don't know. Sorry , but I think the hunger would be out of this world with no carbs imo!

[attek]

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Okay, I see things from a little different angle here. Why would you want to eat less than 15g carbs a day - because you think you will lose weight faster, or you don't like veggies?

It is my personal experience that the closer one follows DANDR, the better the long-term results will be. I followed my own version the first time on Atkins - didn't find my CCLL, kept my carbs down around 25 the entire time, didn't go past Rung 4 on OWL. I felt tired almost the entire time (I am someone who feels much better on a higher level of carbs than 25.) It worked fine to take the weight off - but it didn't work so great to keep it off! I couldn't live with that kind of diet forever.

This time I decided to actually do what Dr. Atkins said to do! I've progressed through all the rungs of OWL, learned a lot about what I can and cannot eat, and discovered that my weight loss was still consistent at higher levels of carbs and rungs. I've started working some of my favorite foods like lasagna back into my diet. I can live with this diet! There was absolutely no need for me to have deprived myself the first time around - I could have eaten lasagna and still lost weight but I never bothered to figure that out. I am quite certain that I will have a much greater chance of actually keeping the weight off this time because I am doing it the way Dr. Atkins recommended and not my own way.

Why not take Dr. Atkins at his word and do it the way he recommends? He helped thousands of people in his clinic lose weight and maintain their loss. In my opinion, if you want long-term success, do it his way.

[LowCarbLara]

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attek, I totally agree.

I honestly believe that unless you're severely metabolically resistant, it's not going to make a difference whether you're eating 0g carbs or 20g carbs per day (and some people can go way higher and still lose well - in fact, numerous people have stated that they started losing easier when they entered OWL). At such a low carb intake, you're simply not going to be producing enough insulin to allow fat storage anyway.

I really like this page as well (although I don't necessarily agree with everything it says), which talks about where to get most of your carbs from and about moving on from induction: http://www.leadwiththediet.com/artic...9255/31708.htm

(more articles/essays here: http://www.leadwiththediet.com/page/page/2329255.htm )

I think that maybe we find it difficult to get out of the 'less is better/more' mindset.

[Lamby-pie]

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Ladies, I learned a lot reading this thread, thank you to all who contributed.
I don't think the mods should have stepped in, there was no name calling or personal attacks. Debate is healthy and a message board would be of little interest if everyone agreed on everything.
Peer review and debate are critical to the scientific method.
Somebody told me this once, and it stuck: "Don't take personally, which isn't meant to be personal."

[lori121]

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Could the Op be doing Atkins 72??? Because that's about how you start out when your doing it... not sure if I'm allowed to post a link but on lowcarbfriends.com they are people doing it...

I wish the OP Good luck with their new way of life.. That's what I call this way of eating. I feel so much better when I'm following a lowcarb menu.

[skinnymom!]

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When I start induction I rarely go over 15, usually I'm at around 10-13 and I feel pretty bad. Tired and weak. And that is WITH eating the required veggies. Right now I'm on Rung 1 and am taking in between 20-25 per day and am feeling MUCH better and my weight loss has been picking up since the carb intake increased. Much luck to you!!

[forgop]

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I've been VERY lax at getting any carbs all week, partly because I just don't have a good supply of "good" carbs around.

I'm on day 6 and as a result, I'm dragging like I just got done doing an hour of cardio even though I barely did any activity. I sure haven't gotten the best sleep this week, but right now I don't think I could barely even walk around.