Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

[kbe_canada]

I've tried till my eyes turn green to eat salad and I just HATE it. I used to eat them ALL the time and I'm just so incredibly sick of them. So, here is my question: (please be patient, I pick up the book on Tuesday)

I've seen 2 options:

#1 - Eat 2 c. salad veg and 1 c. of other veg

#2 - Induction veggies should be 12 - 15 grams of the day

I have no problem eating veggies on option 2, it's just that I've had difficulty with the salads. I typically eat broccoli, cauliflower, green beans and a little zucchini/spaghetti squash. I've also strayed into a few sugar snap peas though I've learned that snow peas are the right choice.

So far I've lost 5.5 pounds in 5 days of Induction.


Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions???? All are appreciated!!!

[TheDogAteMyName]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

In my opinion, if you don't like lettuce...don't eat it. You could have another vegetable off of the "salad list" such as cucumber, celery, mushrooms or jicama (this is not the complete list). From the "other veggie" list you could have the veggies that you have listed above. Don't make yourself sick by eating salads that you're not enjoying.

[Elizellen]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

I've seen 2 options:

#1 - Eat 2 c. salad veg and 1 c. of other veg

#2 - Induction veggies should be 12 - 15 grams of the day

I have no problem eating veggies on option 2, it's just that I've had difficulty with the salads. I typically eat broccoli, cauliflower, green beans and a little zucchini/spaghetti squash. I've also strayed into a few sugar snap peas though I've learned that snow peas are the right choice.

So far I've lost 5.5 pounds in 5 days of Induction.

Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions???? All are appreciated!!!

Firstly congratulations on losing those 5.5 pounds

As we follow DANDR on this board I would say follow his rules from the book which is #1 above.

the #2 option is what the Atkins company now suggest, perhaps to try to counteract the 'public opinion' that Atkins means no veggies.

So I would go for 3 cups of veg for the first 2 weeks, chosen as Dr Atkins suggested, 2 from the 'salad list' and one from the 'other list' (try to choose more nutritious ones from the 'salad list' than lettuce) then move to rung 1 of OWL and add 5 net carbs of veg from the second list to get more of your favoutires!

[not2late]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

I agree with Elizellen and Dog. There are about 20 vegetables on the "salad" list. So if you don't like lettuce, you have about 19 other "salad" vegetables from which to choose.

Also, Dr. Atkins never wrote you had to eat your vegetables raw. For example, I prefer mushrooms (listed as a "salad" vegetable) cooked. And I also like peppers lightly sauteed.

[kbe_canada]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

I appreciate the reminder about cooking the salad veggies. I am a huge mushroom fan and I can tolerate the occasional sauteed pepper.

But, those are the ONLY other things I eat on the salad list. That's one **** of a lot of mushrooms to eat in 2 weeks!

My first week of induction is up today and I've lost 7.8 pounds - astounding to me. (I guess that peanut butter was a bad idea the first time I tried induction!) I've done this with only the rare voyage into salad veggies BUT I have not strayed at all from the "other" list and I weigh EVERYTHING that enters my mouth - especially if it has carbs.

All this to say - I beg the Book-followers forgiveness in that I don't see how I can feasibly even go near 2 c of salad veggies per day.

[not2late]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

I appreciate the reminder about cooking the salad veggies. I am a huge mushroom fan and I can tolerate the occasional sauteed pepper.

But, those are the ONLY other things I eat on the salad list. That's one **** of a lot of mushrooms to eat in 2 weeks!

My first week of induction is up today and I've lost 7.8 pounds - astounding to me. (I guess that peanut butter was a bad idea the first time I tried induction!) I've done this with only the rare voyage into salad veggies BUT I have not strayed at all from the "other" list and I weigh EVERYTHING that enters my mouth - especially if it has carbs.

All this to say - I beg the Book-followers forgiveness in that I don't see how I can feasibly even go near 2 c of salad veggies per day.

Get a hold of standard cooking measuring cups and measure out 1 cup of mushrooms---on a good day, I can fit 4 small (1 1/2 inch diameter caps) into a cup measure.

Also, you might want to try out some of the other salad veggies. For example, bok choy is on the "salad list". Bok choy is a leafy green Chinese veggie that looks like a stalk of celery with dark green leaves. It's very mild in flavor and very nice cooked. 1 cup of that will cook down to about 1/3 cup.

Just be aware that the "other" list veggies are on the "other" list because they are typically higher in carbs. For some people, those higher carb veggies affect their blood glucose in a bad way.

And again, Induction is 14 days. You've lost 7.8 pounds, which means your degree of metabolic resistance to weight loss is not high. So moving to OWL on Day 15 might be more feasible to you.

[kbe_canada]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

Maybe I was unclear....I do realize that Induction is 2 weeks, but I've only completed one week. That is the 7.8 pounds. I thought that was pretty good so far considering I only wanted to lose just over 30 pounds. That's 20% and my reading indicated to expect 5 - 10 % over the entire 2 weeks of induction. Am I misreading something?

I think that part of the confusion for me with the veggies is that I weigh everything and I don't use cups. I also log everything that goes into my mouth in a program similar to fitday. I need to check out that sticky about weight vs cups. I am never over 20 net carbs.

Thanks for everyone's advice!

[kbe_canada]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

Ok, now I'm throroughly confused! What's New!

I used the weights to cups Sticky to come up with the following menu that gives me 1 3/4 c of salad veggies:

red leaf lettuce - 28 g = 1 cup
mushrooms - 70 g = .75 cup

So, if I eat another .25 cup of salad veggies (which is almost no carbs) and 1 cup of my favorite "other" which is cauliflower for dinner, I'm up to a whopping 6.5 (give or take) for the day for carbs.

I'm not a big cheese eater. I do use my cream intake.

But where do the rest of the carbs come from IF NOT VEGGIES????

Oh, please oh please...help me to get this!!!!!!

Thanks!

[IrishMom82]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

Well during Induction you want the main sourse of carbs to be from veggies. Then the rest of the carbs will come from cheese, eggs, cream, etc.

Do your best to eat veggies. They are non-negotiable. If you want this to work you need to follow Dr. A's advice. Trust me veggies were totally not my thing! I HATED them. This past week is the first time in my life that I have eaten veggies willingly. Be creative and curageous you may find that there are some veggies that you will actually enjoy as did I.

Good luck.

[Elizellen]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

Red peppers have more carbs, so if you have those instead of lettuce it would up your carbs a bit. I often cook them in butter to have as a garnish over meat.

As for the 'other veg' list - brussels, onions or tomatoes are more carby than cauliflower, so would increase your carbs from veg if you had them instead of it.

After your 2 weeks you can start to add 5 net carbs of veg if you move to OWL.

[Chicklady]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

I'm pretty sure I own measuring cups. However, like you, I weigh all my food. i just find it far more accurate. I think Dr A did the cup thing cause it's easier for folks less anal than me about measuring my food And when you go our to eat, it's definitely easier to eyeball a cup of squash than to try to "see" what it weighs!
Don't know how you feel about "spring" or mesclun mixes, but they are a lot tastier than lettuce. Purists will shoot me, but I also count spinach as a salad veggie. One 6 ounce bag of Dole Organic Baby Spinach has net 2 carbs. Raw or cooked, that bag of spinach isn't gonna have any more carbs unless you add flour

[kbe_canada]

Re: Salad Vegetables vs. Other Veg for induction

I really appreciate everyone's advice! You guys are fabulous! I've learned to use my veggies in more creative ways. I actually (luckily) prefer veggies to fruit and always have. It's just that I've had enough lettuce to last me a lifetime. But, I do enjoy the others.

I had a great dish last night: sauteed red peppers, onions, zucchini and mushrooms in a garlic cream sauce over spaghetti squash. YUM!