fat intake and ketosis

[stacyh2]

Can you be in ketosis and not lose weight by eating too much fat? Does your body only get rid of so much and store the rest?

[Greeneggs&ham]

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Yes, although it would be more correct to say that you can be in ketosis and not lose weight from eating too many calories.

[Elizellen]

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Hello Stacy Welcome to ADBB!

As Eric suggested, if you eat too much food for your body's needs in general, whether fat, protein or carbs then you will most likely not lose weight

So we have to learn our body's signals and only eat till we are no longer hungry.

For some of us this takes time as our body is so out of whack that we can't tell when we have eaten enough, but usually ketosis brings about a diminished appetite so it helps us to not overeat.

In fact many of us (to our surprise) find we have to try hard to eat enough food once ketosis kicks in!!

[stacyh2]

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So as long as i stay in a normal calorie range, 65%-75% of calories from fat is ok and what I should be aiming for?

Thanks for the replys. I am new to Atkins and these boards and your answers really help a lot!

Thanks again.

[BonnieRose16]

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Yes... I think 65% fat 30% protein and 5% carb is right about where you want to be in Induction.

[Momma2threegirls]

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I know too high of calories varies. What is "too high" I'm eating 1800-2400 and hitting the 65/5/30% I've been stalling out and not eating enough calories (around 1200-1300) SO this week I am aiming for 17-20 carbs and @2000 caloires.

[stacyh2]

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Erika,

We are almost identical in our starting stats! I'm 32, 5'8" and my starting weight was 202.

So far I am down 7 lbs in 2 1/2 weeks and i have been anywhere from 1700-2300 calories a day and in the right fat/protein/carb %. But i haven't been doing a "clean" or correct induction either.

I have yet to cut out cystal light packets in my water or a daily diet coke. I have been using the low-carb bars as replacement meals when i haven't had time for a "real" meal. A few times I have went over 20 carbs, and on the weekends I have had a few drinks! But for me, just cutting out bread, pasta, and sugar was hard enough.

Even though I am not doing a clean induction, i'm pretty sure i am in ketosis. I have the yucky mouth, loss of appetite and increased energy. I have not bought the sticks to test, but feel great so don't feel the need. Plus I am losing, maybe slow, but I'm losing!

Now that my sugar/carb cravings are gone, I am going to try ease myself into Atkins Induction and try cut out things like the crystal light and diet coke to see if that will help lose a little faster.

I also am going to try play around with my calories each week and see where i should be at for the best loss.

[Momma2threegirls]

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Good for you Stacy -it sounds like you are easing into things! I have found this to be rally easy overall - but a bit nerve rackening. My body seems to losse nothing for 1-2 weeks and loose 3-4 lbs and then repeat the cycle again - it's been a mind game. So i have been working to up my calories and we'll see how this week goes. I'll keep a watch for you since, like you said, we have pretty much the same stats. That's cool!

[rhiannonwins]

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In fact many of us (to our surprise) find we have to try hard to eat enough food once ketosis kicks in!!

That is definitely something I want to echo!! I just bought some of the Ketosix and the first night I was in "slight to moderate" and the next night I was in dark but not THE darkest purple. I am almost NEVER hungry now and have to REALLY try to eat to get my carbs in...on Day 7 of Induction now.

It's difficult. I woke up about an hour ago...I was up late last night and I am just NOW about to and make my eggs for breakfast. At 10:30 am! And only because I know I need to! No hunger whatsoever. But I know they will taste wonderful with chopped onion and some cheddar.

And I am looking forward to bun-less bacon cheeseburgers for dinner tonight. haha!

But she's definitely right...just enough to satisfy and NOT stuff is what hubby and I have been doing and he's now down a bit over 5 lbs and I'm now down 4...2 more than yesterday!

We have a saying in this house...what would Elizellen say? You seem to know so much!! THANK YOU!!

[stacyh2]

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I have had a decrease in appetite, but today is unbelievable!! This is the first day I don't want to eat anything. It is 10:45am and I have been up since 6:45. Usually I would have thought I was going to starve to death if I hadn't had any food yet! Plus I was in the habit of just eating no matter if i was hungry or not.

I go to the gym over my lunch break, so am going to eat a hard boiled egg now, just so i have something in my stomach and then salad after workout for lunch.

And speaking of salads, is there a store bought salad dressing (i like ranch, blue cheese) that is low-carb and still tastes good? Right now i have been using Hidden Valley Ranch, which has 2 carbs per tablespoon. Ranch dressing accounts for about 6-8 of my carbs a day, not to mention a good chunck of calories and fat! But ranch makes the salads so good.

[BonnieRose16]

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If you can find Marie's salad dressing (it comes in a jar and is in the cold section) there are a few without any sugar that are sour cream based instead of milk based. I use the Chunky Feta Dressing. She also has a Bleu Cheese if you so please (I don't though!) I'm not sure about the others... haven't looked at all of them but next time I go I may have to... I'm getting a little burned out on the feta dressing (OH AND DONT FOREGET TO COUNT THE CHEESE SERVINGS IN YOUR CHEESE DRESSINGS)

[Elizellen]

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And speaking of salads, is there a store bought salad dressing (i like ranch, blue cheese) that is low-carb and still tastes good?

I have read on this board that a company called Duke's makes sugar-less mayonnaise which can be used as a base for many different dressings by adding stuff like mustard, chilli, pickles, blue cheese, etc.
www.dukesmayo.com should help you find out who in your area sells this. Go for their regular version rather than the fatfree one

[LaurenAshley84]

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BonnieRose,
I just started Atkins 3 days ago... I haven't read the book, but did get the information off the website. However, the website didn't really explain why they tell you to limit your cheese intake to 4 oz. except that some do contain carbs. Is there any other reason they tell you to stay at 4 oz. per day in the introduction? Some of the cheese I bought at the store say they have 0 carbs on the label.

[Greeneggs&ham]

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the website didn't really explain why they tell you to limit your cheese intake to 4 oz. except that some do contain carbs. Is there any other reason they tell you to stay at 4 oz. per day in the introduction? Some of the cheese I bought at the store say they have 0 carbs on the label.

The most likely reason that we are supposed to limit our cheese intake in the Induction stage is that dairy products tend to be a food group that can cause stalls in weight loss. Since someone on Induction needs to see the scale move to find the motivation to continue on this WOE, Atkins recommends a limit on cheese to maximize weight loss potential. The dairy rung occurs early in the OWL phase at which point you can determine for yourself whether dairy items like cheese cause addictive behavior, a drop in weight loss or other negative symptoms.

Regarding nutrional labels on cheese, typically Atkins suggests counting each ounce of cheese as 1 gram, most likely to be safe by rounding up. Often times a serving is a little less than 1 oz so a manufacturer can claim 0 or <1 gram per serving when in fact there is still a fractional amount of carbohydrates. Either track total weight of the cheese you eat on a site like Fitday or round up as Atkins suggests. Good luck!

[Momma2threegirls]

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The most likely reason that we are supposed to limit our cheese intake in the Induction stage is that dairy products tend to be a food group that can cause stalls in weight loss. Since someone on Induction needs to see the scale move to find the motivation to continue on this WOE, Atkins recommends a limit on cheese to maximize weight loss potential. The dairy rung occurs early in the OWL phase at which point you can determine for yourself whether dairy items like cheese cause addictive behavior, a drop in weight loss or other negative symptoms.

Regarding nutrional labels on cheese, typically Atkins suggests counting each ounce of cheese as 1 gram, most likely to be safe by rounding up. Often times a serving is a little less than 1 oz so a manufacturer can claim 0 or <1 gram per serving when in fact there is still a fractional amount of carbohydrates. Either track total weight of the cheese you eat on a site like Fitday or round up as Atkins suggests. Good luck!

I agree. Also, 1. dairy is a high allergen food and 2. cheese is a high calorie food with a high fat content. So while we don't "count calories" eating too much cheese will throw the goal ratio of fat/protein/carb (65/30/5).