Following Rules of Induction vs Carb Count

[MMMagination]

By following the rules of induction, it seems there is no need to count carbs since the rules of the max. allowed portions of food will most likely keep someone below 20 grams of net carbs. However, if someone were to start counting carbs for induction, is it possible for this person to increase the amount of food he eats as long as it remains below 20?

For example, assume one wants 1 tbsp of balasmic vinegar and counts the higher net carbs into his allocation of 20, would it be ok to have it, especially when this person still losses weight.

[Elizellen]

Not if you are doing induction strictly by the rules :nono

For salad dressing use oil and vinegar except balsamic vinegar which contains sugar

[not2late]

Re: Following Rules of Induction vs Carb Count

By following the rules of induction, it seems there is no need to count carbs since the rules of the max. allowed portions of food will most likely keep someone below 20 grams of net carbs. However, if someone were to start counting carbs for induction, is it possible for this person to increase the amount of food he eats as long as it remains below 20?

For example, assume one wants 1 tbsp of balasmic vinegar and counts the higher net carbs into his allocation of 20, would it be ok to have it, especially when this person still losses weight.

Dr. Atkins writes in the OWL chapters that you don't have to count carbs on Induction provided you follow the Rules and eat off the Food list.

If you increase the amount of food, say an addition 5 net carbs of veggies even while staying below 20 nets, you are no longer doing Induction. You are doing OWL.

Remember Induction is 14 days minimum. I firmly believe in following the rules strictly for these 14 days. Alot of us are fat because we have lousy eating and lifestyle habits. I know when I began Induction and measured out the 1 cup of veggies, I was surprized at the small amount. But guess what? According to the USDA 1 serving of vegetables is either 1 cup raw or 1/2 cup cooked. Later on, I learned that a standard "restaurant" salad serving has 4-7 cups of lettuce. That's why whenever I read someone posting "I can't eat that amount of vegetables!" I begin to wonder if they are really serious or if they aren't measuring it.

When the 14 days are up, you can decide to either do more of the Induction or move onto OWL, where you will be adding on more foods and a greater variety of food. But I don't recommend "winging" this diet at all, especially during the first 14 days. They are much too important to screw up (see Chapter 12 and 13).

As for balsamic vinegar, it contains added sugar. Added sugar, trans fats and refined grains are the 3 things Dr. Atkins said to avoid on his diet. So, if you are following Atkins, you cannot add these foods into your diet even though you are not going over your carb count. There's much more to Atkins than counting carbs. It's also about avoiding certain foods, like added sugars, refined grains, highly processed foods, etc.


FYI the balsamic vinegar labelling thing. From americastestkitchen.com

Unfortunately, it's not only commonplace but legal for the ingredient label to skirt the issue and completely avoid publishing the contents of the vinegar. This is because Italian law dictates that "Balsamic Vinegar of Modena"--which is how 9 out of 10 vinegars are labeled--is itself an ingredient and product, so no further description of the vinegar's contents is required. Label specifications from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration require only that the producer indicate whether or not the vinegar contains sulfites, a preservative that produces a severe allergic reaction in some people. For now, check the label. If the vinegar contains artificial color or sweetener, look further.

[cleochatra]

I agree. Balsamic vinegar has sugar in it, and I remember reading in DANDR that it is not on the induction list.

It is necessary to count carbs, because even eggs contain carbohydrate. Those 20 carbs which seem to be far away really catch up fast when your seemingly 0-carb omlette is actually worth 10 carbs!

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[MMMagination]

Thanks for the quick replies! I'm glad I joined this board. I guess my mindset is a tad different since I began dieting with South Beach. It's similar but allows for more types of foods during phase 1.

I am just confused. I use Kraft salad dressings and sugar is listed as an ingredient, however the net carbs is just 1 per serving. I have read the other posts on this board regarding how people use it as long as it's not high on the ingredient list. Atkins said it's ok to use prepared dressings as long as it doesn't go over 2 net carbs / tablespoon and no sugar added.

How bad, scientifically, will the tiny bit of sugar in the dressing affect me in terms of spikes in blood sugar?

Also, how is added sugar different than natural sugars? I do understand the whole fruit/juice thing. But how bad is a tiny bit of added sugar compared to the net carbs (which eventually gets converted into sugar for body to use as energy) in veggies, for example?

[not2late]

Thanks for the quick replies! I'm glad I joined this board. I guess my mindset is a tad different since I began dieting with South Beach. It's similar but allows for more types of foods during phase 1.

I am just confused. I use Kraft salad dressings and sugar is listed as an ingredient, however the net carbs is just 1 per serving. I have read the other posts on this board regarding how people use it as long as it's not high on the ingredient list. Atkins said it's ok to use prepared dressings as long as it doesn't go over 2 net carbs / tablespoon and no sugar added.

How bad, scientifically, will the tiny bit of sugar in the dressing affect me in terms of spikes in blood sugar?

Also, how is added sugar different than natural sugars? I do understand the whole fruit/juice thing. But how bad is a tiny bit of added sugar compared to the net carbs (which eventually gets converted into sugar for body to use as energy) in veggies, for example?

Natural sugars found in veggies don't affect the blood sugar as much due to the fiber content in the veggies. Also, Atkins is a high fat diet. The fat helps to blunt the insulin response too., which is why Dr. A. said to eat combinations of fats, proteins and carbs.

South Beach Phase 1 and Atkins Induction foods are almost the same, except Agatson lets his dieters have the sugar-free candies and legumes.

The problem with the 2 carb, no sugar rule is that some folks unknowingly abuse it. The nutritional info is correct for the serving size. How many people (other than myself) will actually measure out a tablespoon of dressing? Lots of folks "estimate" the amount and eat more than the serving size, which means they eat more carbs than they are counting.

[kellyf48]

Re: Following Rules of Induction vs Carb Count

I know this is an old post but I'm new here. If the ingrediants list sugar but the label lists sugar as 0 can you have it? My dressing is 1 carb and 0 sugar per 2 Tab. Yes I eat only2 haha! Anyway really good question I haven't found the answer to.

[blondie1974]

Re: Following Rules of Induction vs Carb Count

Im trying to find out what the ratios are for Fat%/Carb%/Pro.% from calories can anyone help me please? thankss

[Moretta]

Re: Following Rules of Induction vs Carb Count

blondie1974Im trying to find out what the ratios are for Fat%/Carb%/Pro.% from calories can anyone help me please? thankss

65% Fat 30% Protein 5% Carbs.

Hope this helps.