Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

[SunnySmile501]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

Would someone be able to tell me if I can use Jay Robb whey protein shakes or powder on induction or even Atkins? I purchased 2 very large tubs of this powder while trying Wendy Chant's WOE and don't want to waste it. I would primarily use it on induction for some of Cleo's recipe where she uses protein powder. After induction, I would like to use it occasionally for a on-the-run emergency only snack/meal. I just want to use up the supply.

Ingredients are: Cold-pressed cross-flow microfiltered whey protein isolate, natural flavor, xanthan gum, lecithin, stevia.

If this is ok on induction or after induction, does anyone have some good recipes to use it? I have chocolate and vanilla flavored.

Thanks!

Although you may want to include powdered proteins, there is a ton of literature that shows it is a bad idea. I use it very rarely in recipes. After all I've read about protein powders, I would never feel comfortable using them for meal or snack replacement.

“…Diets in which unnatural isolated powder proteins from soy, eggs, or milk are fed to animals or humans cause negative calcium balance that can lead to osteoporosis….”

“Isolated protein powders from soy, whey, casein and egg whites are currently popular as basic ingredients in diet beverages and so-called health food products. These protein isolates are usually obtained by a high-temperature process that over-denatures the proteins to such an extent that they become virtually useless, while increasing nitrates and other carcinogens. Protein powders are often consumed as part of a low-fat diet and can thereby lead to depletion of vitamin A and vitamin D reserves. Soy protein isolates are high in mineral-blocking phytates, thyroid-depressing phytoestrogens and potent enzyme inhibitors that depress growth and cause cancer.” —Sally Fallon and Mary Enig, Ph.D., in Nourishing Traditions, page 29

[liv]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

Oopsie I am a middle aged female and I have done Atkins for 17 months now. I have never been famished. Eating fats makes you full. And fat is real food. You can get fat from a whole horde of different kinds of food. I still eat quite a lot of fat in my diet.
I was just going to say it is possible to do it. Perhaps you should try and find out how it will work for you.

(And btw to eat 600 calories worth of protein a day you need to eat 150 gram of protein which actually is quite a lot of protein)

[oopsiedoop]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

That menu is something that for some reason I don't know how to put together! I may stick to just those choices for a few days just to see what happens. As of today I am still confused. Yesterday I upped my fat AND my lean protein, using the protein powder (it's hard for me to eat that much protein!), this morning I was 4 lbs heavier! Today I tried to eat less and I am five pounds lighter! At night! That never happens! So at this point I don't know if it's yesterday's fat working on me, yesterday's protein, or the fact that I ate less today. I'll know more tomorrow, I guess.

[oopsiedoop]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

I don't know how you get 150 grams of protein at only 600 calories.

[Georgiana]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

You were saying 600 calories coming from protein (for a total of about 1500 calories)... and 1 g of protein is 4 calories, so 600 calories are 150 g of protein.

I would avoid the protein powder and choose real food instead. It is not only healthier, but it will also help you keep the percentages close to the Induction values. And you do not have to stick to that menu. There are more Induction menus on Linda's website.

Here is the link to the menus: Linda's Low Carb Menus & Recipes - Induction Menus
And here is the link to the index page: Linda's Low Carb Menus & Recipes - Home

[liv]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

Oopsie I think you should have your scale checked. It takes tons of calories to put on pounds or to lose ponds like that. Could be hormones and water fluctuations but I suspect the scale.
To me it sounds like you don't know what you are doing. You need to read Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution from 2002 and do it right. Induction is supposed to be done clean and perfect. No need to gripe about it not working when you you are not working it.

[Elizellen]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

I am wondering if the confusion here has something to do with the fact that if someone eats say 150 grams (about 5 ounces) of skinless chicken breast which is fairly high in protein it does not contain anything like 150 grams of protein, as a lot of the weight of meat and other 'real food' is water.

According to fitday.com 150 grams of skinless chicken breast has 5.3 grams of fat and 46.1 grams of protein.

So if you were to eat 3 of those 150 gram chicken breasts it would amount to about 736 calories, made up of 15.9 gram of fat (x 9 = 143 calories) and 138.4 grams of protein (x 4 = 553 calories) - and get you a fair way along to having eaten 150 grams of protein without having to add pure protein powder or cut down on 'real food'.

[liv]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

That is a good point Elizellen. We do not always think about those things. Fitday has helped me understand some of it.

[oopsiedoop]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

Hi Elizellen -- Well, I'm getting a lot of good tips from Georgina on how to do it. I did not know the new book was so much clearer than the old one, but I suspect there is an even greater advantage in having the support of people on the internet. So if you don't mind I'm going to keep doing that.

[Georgiana]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

Hi Elizellen -- Well, I'm getting a lot of good tips from Georgina on how to do it. I did not know the new book was so much clearer than the old one, but I suspect there is an even greater advantage in having the support of people on the internet. So if you don't mind I'm going to keep doing that.

Oopsie, when Elizellen and Liv advised you to read the book, they did this for your own good. We can answer specific questions and give (hopefully) helpful tips about the diet, but one needs DANDR in order to trully understand Atkins and have long-term success on it. It is like the difference between reading a book and reading its summary on Cliff's Notes.

Feel free to ask questions on the forums; we all do, even after reading the book several times. But my advice for you is the same as the one you got from the others: get DANDR 2002 and read it carefully. You'll be glad you did it.

[oopsiedoop]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

Oops -- well, that's why I chose this name! I addressed Liv first but changed the name later while scrolling up because I noticed it was a reply from a moderator and thought I'd gotten confused!

Well, there's a lot better ways to encourage someone to read the book than telling them they don't know what they're doing and not gripe about it and that I have some kind of wild scale -- I don't. Yeah, I don't know why eating 20 carbs a day isn't enough to do the trick. I think that's a fair question to ask on an Atkins board.

[Georgiana]

Re: Jay Robb whey protein powder on induction/atkins??

Well, there's a lot better ways to encourage someone to read the book than telling them they don't know what they're doing and not gripe about it and that I have some kind of wild scale -- I don't.

Right now, what you are doing is not Atkins. Just because you eat 20 carbs a day does not mean you are following Induction. I cannot deny the fact that you are eating low carb, but we assume folks here want to follow Atkins and we can only advise them on how to correctly follow Atkins. However, before starting Atkins, one should read a little and understand the basic rules of it. Otherwise he or she should not complain that Atkins doesn't work. It works as long as you follow it by the book. In any case, this problem can be easily solved even if you don't have the book yet. Here is a link to a sticky thread important for everybody who wants to start Atkins: http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...-new-read.html

If your scale is correct, then it must be one of the other reasons Liv mentioned: hormones or water weight. You need 3500 calories above what you are burning in order to put on 1 lbs. So for 4 lbs, you should have eaten an excess of 14000 calories that day. That's about 185 eggs or 41 cups of fried beef or 9 lbs of cheese. You can see that it is simply impossible to eat enough to gain 4 lbs of fat in one day.

Yeah, I don't know why eating 20 carbs a day isn't enough to do the trick. I think that's a fair question to ask on an Atkins board.

That's because, roughly said, not all carbohydrates are created equal. Eating about 4 teaspoons of sugar (20 g net carbohydrate) is not the same thing as eating 20 net carbs from vegetables, eggs, cheese, meat -- the former are empty carbs that will rapidly cause you a spike in blood sugar, while the latter come with fat, fiber and protein, thus being absorbed slower and having a smaller impact on your insulin levels.