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[schugrl23]

I've been doing induction for 7 days. I'm in ketosis, at least that's what the sticks tell me. I'm not cheating. I'v done very good. I'm getting plenty of fat and veggies. I'm a bit disappointed because I have't seen much loss (only 1 pound). I don't understand the stall. Is is because I only have about 15-20 pounds to lose. Oh yeah, I work out to. Not everyday but 4-5 times a week.

heeeeeeeeeeeeelp pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaasssssseeee

[Clarasassycat]

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I wouldn't say this is a stall. You only have to lose 15-20 lbs, so the 1 lb in 7 days is right on track as to what you should lose on induction. Dont let it discourage you, just keep following plan, you will succeed!

[babypiggy]

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I also have only 15-20 pounds to lose, so I'm not expecting a huge loss during Induction (from everything I've heard and read). I just finished Day 6 so will weigh in after one more day and let you know what my experience was for my first week, and see if it's similar to yours.

It's real easy to get stars in our eyes when we read the amazing success stories of people losing 10, 15, even 20 pounds during 14 days of Induction. You have to remember that someone with 150-200 pounds to lose will have a much different experience at the beginning than someone who only needs to lose 1/10 that amount.

Slow and steady...you'll get there...keep going!

P.S. It looks like our starting and goal weights are nearly identical.

[Slingnmom]

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Perhaps Atkins isn't right for your body.

Those who exercise more need more carbs to fuel their body for the exercise. Compared to someone like me who needs to drop a whole person from her body, you are FIT compared to me and probably need the carbs for the workout.

You might have more luck with South Beach which allows more carbs through vegetables and such.

I know on the weight loss shows including The Biggest Loser, that if you aren't fueling your body for the exercise then it goes into starvation mode and won't burn off the weight like you want and need it too.

Perhaps you should see a trainer or nutrionalist to see how many calories you are burning and what foods will help you burn more fat off faster?

[Fleur]

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Hey, are you measuring the inches coming off too? I don't have scales so just rely on my tape measure - but I have lost 8 inches of my waist in about a month - I don't know what the scales would tell me - but the measuring tells me I'm losing the fat! It's a nice feeling as that tape gets tighter each week - maybe worth a go...

[Lamby-pie]

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Hi,

Are you overeating vegetables? I know that veggies are the best thing for us, but they do have carbs. I actually had to cut back on them, I was eating way too much, not enough protein, and stalling.

You shouldn't be in starvation mode if you are eating and not going hungry.
How about posting a menu of what you are eating? Maybe it needs a tweak...
Are you drinking a lot of water? The more you drink, they more water you release. Most of the induction weight that comes off is water weight, so be sure to drink a lot of water to flush yourself out. I really bloat when I don't drink enough...

[blueberrylady]

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For me, I've had to count my calories as well as carbs because I'm short and can't eat as much as taller people. And now I only have 8 lbs to lose to goal so I've cut back some more because the less you weigh, the less you can eat. High fat foods are also high calorie foods, so watching your portions may be all you need to do. Good luck and don't give up!

[Georgiana]

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Perhaps Atkins isn't right for your body.

Those who exercise more need more carbs to fuel their body for the exercise. Compared to someone like me who needs to drop a whole person from her body, you are FIT compared to me and probably need the carbs for the workout.

You might have more luck with South Beach which allows more carbs through vegetables and such.

I know on the weight loss shows including The Biggest Loser, that if you aren't fueling your body for the exercise then it goes into starvation mode and won't burn off the weight like you want and need it too.

Perhaps you should see a trainer or nutrionalist to see how many calories you are burning and what foods will help you burn more fat off faster?

I promised myself to stay away from the main board for a while, but I must reply to this... Whatever...

schugrl23 -- you have 15-20 lbs to lose. By the book, if you have an average degree of metabolic resistance, you should expect to lose 3-4 lbs after TWO weeks! So weigh yourself after 2 weeks and figure out what is your degree of metabolic resistance using the table on page 158 of DANDR 2002. Most people average 5-10% loss (i.e. 5-10% of the total excess weight) at the end of the two weeks, so if you have 15-20 lbs to lose, that means about 2 lbs. But this number is influenced by many other factors...

1) Exercise. You won't gain 10 lbs of muscle in two weeks, but you might retain water, especially if you're doing weights. This will make the scale go up, although you *are* burning fat!

2) Calories. Calories might not have to be counted, but eating less a day or two before your weigh in day will make the scale show less. Eating more will, obviously, have the opposite effect. However, if Atkins is the new way of eating (for life!) for you, then you shouldn't starve yourself just to see 2 lbs loss instead of 1. Starvation is exactly why *diets* fail!

3) TOM. Can make the scale go up.

4) Sodium. Eating to much sodium will cause water retention and it takes a few days to lose the water weight. So if you are eating something salty 1-2 days before weigh in, the scale will not be very happy.

I'm sure there are things I've missed, but these are the important ones. The point is, you are doing just fine. Stay away from the scale and only weigh at the end of the two weeks. Then determine your metabolic resistance using the table in DANDR and figure out what your next step should be.

Slingnmom -- There are people on this board who work out regularly during induction even if they don't have to lose very much. There are also people who trained for and ran half marathons on induction menus... and I am pretty sure running 13 miles is much more than the typical person's work out! Unless you are training for something huge (marathon, triathlon, etc.), this whole "you need to eat more carbs if you're exercising" is just an excuse for failure. One *is* supposed to exercise on Atkins! I have about 1-2 sizes to lose (I don't really know how much this will mean in lbs) and while I was doing induction I used to exercise about 10-12 hours per week (5-6 days), cardio + weights. While Atkins might not fit the lifestyle of some people, working out is not a good reason for switching to another diet!

[Parouz]

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Hey there ShugRL23
WHAT I WROTE on my 15th day on Induction.....
Hey there....Have just finished the 2 week induction cleanly.Weighed today I've lost 3 lbs.
Following the Induction was no problem for me luckily.Exercising is thankfully no problem either as I love it.Exercised each day (cardio)with a minimum calorie loss 1000 I really thought I'd of lost at least 8 lbs if not more.
Food intake for a typical day.....
an egg some times 2 and 1-2 pieces bacon
Lunch a bowl of salad and cheese (1-2 oz) 1tb cream mixed with water and mustard.
Dinner a piece of meat and 3 veg
I'm satisfied in being full.
I can see changes in my stomach ,bit I really thought I'd of been lighter on the scales.I don't want to gain any muscle as I've got plenty of that.


I'm training for a marathon running 100km /week and really thought more bls would of dropped.
I weighed in yesturday and got a result I'm very pleased with......I'm short and not too much to loose in weight.
I do watch the cheese intake.
Do give it time ,give your body time to aclimatise to the new way of living.7 days isn't long 3 weeks I think.I know it's it's a long wait.When you read the big weight loss stories here then you get not the same success.
What I found very helpful with needing the energy to run with was eating salad and a protein for breakfast!!You have your carbs in the morning it makes a difference.

Be patient you will be successfull.
Good luck Shugrl23

[Debie]

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Great post Georgiana!!

[Slingnmom]

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I promised myself to stay away from the main board for a while, but I must reply to this... Whatever...

schugrl23 -- you have 15-20 lbs to lose. By the book, if you have an average degree of metabolic resistance, you should expect to lose 3-4 lbs after TWO weeks! So weigh yourself after 2 weeks and figure out what is your degree of metabolic resistance using the table on page 158 of DANDR 2002. Most people average 5-10% loss (i.e. 5-10% of the total excess weight) at the end of the two weeks, so if you have 15-20 lbs to lose, that means about 2 lbs. But this number is influenced by many other factors...

1) Exercise. You won't gain 10 lbs of muscle in two weeks, but you might retain water, especially if you're doing weights. This will make the scale go up, although you *are* burning fat!

2) Calories. Calories might not have to be counted, but eating less a day or two before your weigh in day will make the scale show less. Eating more will, obviously, have the opposite effect. However, if Atkins is the new way of eating (for life!) for you, then you shouldn't starve yourself just to see 2 lbs loss instead of 1. Starvation is exactly why *diets* fail!

3) TOM. Can make the scale go up.

4) Sodium. Eating to much sodium will cause water retention and it takes a few days to lose the water weight. So if you are eating something salty 1-2 days before weigh in, the scale will not be very happy.

I'm sure there are things I've missed, but these are the important ones. The point is, you are doing just fine. Stay away from the scale and only weigh at the end of the two weeks. Then determine your metabolic resistance using the table in DANDR and figure out what your next step should be.

Slingnmom -- There are people on this board who work out regularly during induction even if they don't have to lose very much. There are also people who trained for and ran half marathons on induction menus... and I am pretty sure running 13 miles is much more than the typical person's work out! Unless you are training for something huge (marathon, triathlon, etc.), this whole "you need to eat more carbs if you're exercising" is just an excuse for failure. One *is* supposed to exercise on Atkins! I have about 1-2 sizes to lose (I don't really know how much this will mean in lbs) and while I was doing induction I used to exercise about 10-12 hours per week (5-6 days), cardio + weights. While Atkins might not fit the lifestyle of some people, working out is not a good reason for switching to another diet!

Sorry i didn't know you were the board expert in all things weight loss and diet. Next time I'll know to wait for the board expert to weigh in on the suject with your wise intellect before giving my opinion.

And like you said you don't know exactly WHAT will work for this person. For all you know she may very well need more carbs and calories. But then what do I know, you're the expert.

Whatever.

[carbless_in_seattle]

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Sorry i didn't know you were the board expert in all things weight loss and diet. Next time I'll know to wait for the board expert to weigh in on the suject with your wise intellect before giving my opinion.

And like you said you don't know exactly WHAT will work for this person. For all you know she may very well need more carbs and calories. But then what do I know, you're the expert.

Whatever.

The real response to your post should have been... atkins takes the body away from burning carbs for energy, and makes the body burn fat for energy, this is what it means to be in ketosis-- it means that your body is burning fat for energy. The energy she will need for working out will come from the fat that she eats, the protein that she eats will help her muscles to build as well as repair themselves from the damage that exercise causes.

Now, if she weren't on atkins, and she wasn't in ketosis, then her body would be looking for carbs for energy, and you'd probably be right.

[Georgiana]

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Stephanie, I don't know why you took everything personally. I'll skip the parts with the expert business because you are not making any point there. If you want to let off some steam, I'm fine with it... although I would recommend something like kickboxing rather than jump down my throat.

The part I am going to comment about is

And like you said you don't know exactly WHAT will work for this person. For all you know she may very well need more carbs and calories.

I don't see any incompatibility between Atkins and a higher caloric intake. On the contrary, I believe it is just as easy to do Atkins with 2000 or 1200 calories per day.

The carbs issue... There are studies (some referenced in DANDR) that have shown no difference in the athletic performance of people following low-fat and low-carb diets. The only difference was made by the amount of fiber subjects consumed. Since fiber is not counted as part of the daily carbohydrate intake (so you can eat more or less, as you wish), I don't understand why Atkins wouldn't allow one to exercise 4-6 times a week.

For those of you who are interested, you can find more about the "Myth of Carb-loading" by watching one of Kent's YouTube videos:
YouTube - Atkins Diet: Myth of Carb-loading

The same issue is discussed in DANDR 2002 on pages 293-294.

That's pretty much all I have to say about this. The question initially asked was concerned with the 1 pound loss, not with running marathons on Atkins. I don't think it's fair to switch from Atkins to any other diet before giving this way of eating a chance, i.e. a clean (food+water+exercise+supplements) 2-week induction. Since schugrl23 has just finished her first week of induction, your recommendation seems unwarranted to me.

[schugrl23]

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Hey Everyone,

Thanks a million for the replies. Sorry it took so long for me to get back on here. I teach and it's getting crazy. I teach special ed. I absolutely love it, but it sure can be challenging sometimes. I read each reply and they all ready helped. I love the advice! I'm going to keep at it. Because, I do feel great. I actually got on the scale today, and I lost 3lbs!! Of course, it was right after I worked out, but it was still encouraging.

I'm really excited about the girl who has the same stats as I do. We could encourage each other.

Thanks again everyone!!!

[Georgiana]

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Congrats for the 3 lbs!