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    From the link in the ext. induction wt loss is not linear. Low Carb in the UK - The 3rd week "stall"



    Low Carb in the UK
    Why has my weight loss stopped after the 3rd week? Explaining the Weight Loss Pattern on Low Carb

    Written by Jan Jackson in May 2001, It just got reposted to the main list. I have been meaning to write something on this for ages.. so, I will just recycle instead!
    The Atkin's 2 Week induction phase:- heady stuff, weight loss nearly every day, usually enormous and unbelievable amounts!

    This is very often followed by complaints of "a stall" or only losses of "just 1lb per week".

    Many people don't know that weight loss is rate limited, in other words the body has factors preventing more than a certain amount to be released from storage and even more factors that prevent these released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back in the cells.

    This is called the set point principle.

    The priority of the human body is survival, anything that threatens that results in a cascade of events to maintain the previous status quo.

    Water fluctuations are one way the body protects itself.z During induction you may have lost 10lbs during 2 weeks, possibly 7lbs 1st week and 3lbs 2nd, then weeks 3& 4 - no loss! & weeks 5&6 only 1/2lbs each- so what's happening?

    Initially the body jettisons your carb-burning enzymes whilst building fat-buring ones(around 3lbs), and the water attatched to the glycogen stores that we diligently deplete to get into BDK. This amounts to 3-5 lbs water. In addition muscle stores of glycogen are not being replaced when used, which will account for most of the rest of your losses. All in all maybe 0.5lbs fat metabolised during 1st week & maybe same 2nd, so only 1lb fat lost, but 9lbs water and enzymes.

    The body senses this diuretic effect, and the sirens go off, 'WARNING! Water loss occuring... New thing! get back to status quo!!"

    The Brain tells body to produce vasosupression antidiuretic hormone - more water is retained and so, no weight loss is registered on the scale.

    Fat loss is still occurring however- maybe 2lbs per week- because BDK is firmly established and appetite surpresssion is in effect- but water is hiding that weight loss.

    The body is preventing dehydration and that is a Good Thing. However, from the perspective of the scale this can be very discouraging, and why we all say "Get the tape measure out!"

    Which is why the mantra 'Water retention hides weight loss' is helpful!! Water retention will mask ongoing weight loss for as long as the body retains the water.

    We can combat this by drinking more water but we can't overcome this natural mechanism during the initial water loss phase of Atkins.

    By week 5&:6 things start to get back into balance and the scale will begin to reflect true weight loss - which is still rate limited.

    Individuals vary but max weight loss runs to about 2lbs per week- under extreme optimal conditions or 1% of body weight whichever is the lowest number. THE TAKE HOME MESSAGE: EVEN WHEN SCALE IS IN STALL- FAT LOSS CAN BE OCCURING. DONT USE SCALE AS AN EXCUSE TO UNDERMINE YOU PROGRESS!! GET THAT TAPE MEASURE OUT!



    Copyright © 2000 Nikola Howard. All rights reserved.
    This really helped me this morning since I am still the same wt now for 2 weeks!
    Tricia



    "Ode to the Whoosh Fairy"
    Now I lay me down to sleep; A cup of Splenda at my feet!
    I'll be good and drink my water--Leave the grape juice for my daughter.
    I promise to eat all my eggs, So take these bulges from my legs!
    I'll eat my pork--I'll eat a steer--Just smooth these bumps off of my rear!
    I'll never even look at jelly,Please take the blub out of my belly.
    These lips will never taste a sweet, (Oh if I could only see my feet!)
    So, please, tonite before I wake,
    A few more pounds--Whoosh Fairy--take!
    found on another msg board

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    Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

    Thank you for sharing this information.
    It will help many here.
    If it's one thing that I have learned throughout my weightloss is the fact that we are so unique in how our bodies are so different in how it reacts to weightloss. You will develope patterns in your weightloss and recognize them as you go.
    Yes, just because you're not seeing the number on the scale doesn't mean that there are not numbers changing inside our bodies. It really begin within us. Internal health is key. The outside is what reflects on what's going on inside.
    Our blood chemistry numbers are changing. That is what I focus on rather than the number changing on the scale. It helps reaffirm what I am doing to get healthy.
    It truly is a number game, isn't it? Carb #, Calorie #, Water #, Supplement #, BMR #, Fat #, Protein #, Glucose #, Cholesterol#, Thyroid #,.........the list goes on. Notice I didn't list weight #. Seems we always know that # all to well.
    I'm glad that information helped you this morning. I see the Whooshie Ferry visit in your near future. Hang in there, YOU'RE DOING GREAT!!!!!
    Sincerely, Sherri
    Last edited by Sherri; January 28, 2009, 08:38 PM.
    MOTHEREARTH AKA SHERRI "HOW THE WORLD TURNS AS I SEE IT"
    HT: 5'10.5-Highest weight-374 lbs.
    Began ATKINS 07-07-04 @ 334 lbs.
    Maintaned 101 lb. Weightloss
    New goals-New start 03-21-10 @ 273
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~inches lost~~~~
    1st mini-goal: 260
    2nd mini-goal:249
    2nd mini-goal:239
    3rd mini-goal:229
    GOAL :225




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    • #3
      Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

      Thanks for posting this. It answered some questions I have had and I think it can motivate me to push through the month without unrealistic expectations. I also read that you can prevent some of this stall by taking the supplement L Carnitine, it is a little expensive, but I noticed it helped get me through stalls in the past.
      Leesh

      SW/226, CW/199
      Second Time Around Club
      Re-Start Date: 6/7/09

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      • #4
        Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

        Mods, can we make this a sticky? It seems like every other question is about "stalls" that aren't, why aren't my Keto sticks dark, or about TOM, who ever he is.

        T. J.
        "...Health and fitness are more than just personal goals - they're gifts we give to the people around us. Being fit and feeling on top of our game will ensure that we're there for the people who rely on us. It will make us better fathers, husbands, friends, lovers... and yes, even better sons." -David Zinczenko -Mens Health Magazine
        39M/Married with two wonderful kids
        Mini goal #1 - 225 1/16/2010
        Mini goal #2 - Stick with this WOE until 1/31/10
        Mini goal #3 - 214 No longer obese
        Mini goal #4 - Stick with this WOE until 2/28/10
        Mini goal #5 - Stick with this WOE until 3/31/10
        Mini goal #6 - 199
        Mini goal #7 - Survive Easter on plan
        Mini goal #8 - Stick with this WOE until 6/30/10

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        • #5
          Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

          Thanks for posting this! I am only in my first two weeks and after my TOM and my weight fluctuating wildly I really 'got' the measurement is key factor very quickly. As a result, I am ignoring the scale and pulling out the measuring tape every day and omigod I am shrinking! It's SO much more powerful for me than any number on a machine. I just keep thinking that - I am shrinking, I am shrinking.....VERY motivational for me!!!
          Kathleen (Start 1/16/09)
          Measurements
          Starting Waist 35.5 (Current 32.5 - 3 inches lost total!)
          Starting Hips 42.5 (Current 39.5- 3 inches lost total!)
          Starting Thighs 26.5 (Current 25.5 - 1 inch lost total!)
          Starting Knees 18.75 (Current 17.75 - 1.25 inch lost total!)
          Starting Calves 16.75 (Current 16.5 - .25 inches lost total!)
          Starting Upper Arm 16.75 (Current 13 - 3.75 inches lost total!!!!)

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          • #6
            Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

            Originally posted by tfek70 View Post
            Mods, can we make this a sticky? It seems like every other question is about "stalls" that aren't, why aren't my Keto sticks dark, or about TOM, who ever he is.

            T. J.
            I'll check that out for you and get back with you on it.
            MOTHEREARTH AKA SHERRI "HOW THE WORLD TURNS AS I SEE IT"
            HT: 5'10.5-Highest weight-374 lbs.
            Began ATKINS 07-07-04 @ 334 lbs.
            Maintaned 101 lb. Weightloss
            New goals-New start 03-21-10 @ 273
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~inches lost~~~~
            1st mini-goal: 260
            2nd mini-goal:249
            2nd mini-goal:239
            3rd mini-goal:229
            GOAL :225




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            • #7
              Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

              Also read tidbits from Tabbycat sticky above!

              I think I am going to drop off my scales at my friends house. I can't stay off of them here.
              Tricia



              "Ode to the Whoosh Fairy"
              Now I lay me down to sleep; A cup of Splenda at my feet!
              I'll be good and drink my water--Leave the grape juice for my daughter.
              I promise to eat all my eggs, So take these bulges from my legs!
              I'll eat my pork--I'll eat a steer--Just smooth these bumps off of my rear!
              I'll never even look at jelly,Please take the blub out of my belly.
              These lips will never taste a sweet, (Oh if I could only see my feet!)
              So, please, tonite before I wake,
              A few more pounds--Whoosh Fairy--take!
              found on another msg board

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              • #8
                Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

                Thanks for this info. I have been loosing about 1 lb a week and my cycle is all sorts of crazy with my new birth control. This has really helped me not to be so discouraged and to know there is "light at the end of the tunnel".
                height 5'5"
                Starting weight 189
                Restarting weight 165.2
                1st mini goal-175******met 2/9/09 174.0!!!
                2nd mini goal-160
                3rd mini goal-150
                Goal weight 140-for now






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                • #9
                  Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

                  Fat calipers are great for measuring progress too!
                  Induction 1/18/09 - 2/1/09
                  Started OWL 2/15
                  134/127/115
                  5' 2.5"
                  44 year old female

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                  • #10
                    Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

                    Thanks, that really helped me understand that a whole lot more.


                    1st mini goal 157 10/15/08
                    2nd mini goal 150
                    3rd mini goal 145
                    final goal 135

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                    • #11
                      Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

                      WOW!! thankyou so much for this info!!! you've really explained it well.and you have actually motivated me even more
                      AND ITS SO TRUE.i'm on my 10th day of induction.the 1st week i lost 5kg (9lbs) and the 2nd week i actually gained 1kg (2lbs).but i know i havent got any "fatter" cuz my clothes fit the same.

                      i knew that alot of the initial weight was water already,which was actually making me doubt this atkins diet.but explaining that actually that water was with the glycogen and all that,made me realise that even though it is just water i was losing,its actually a vital part of the whole losing weight thing

                      thanx so much again for this info. your a star
                      SW:59kg CW:56kg GW:50kg

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                      • #12
                        Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

                        Sticky!
                        12 Years of Baby Fat

                        F/35

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                        • #13
                          Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

                          Yes please sticky. This probably explains my stall. I don't take measurements and was kinda bummed after weighing myself after my third week to see I hadn't lost any weight from week 2 to week 3.
                          Male, 29, 6' 2"
                          Start weight: 353 lbs
                          Short term goal: 330
                          Long Term Goal: 250
                          Life Time Goal: 200
                          Current Excercise: Dance Dance Revolution non-stop mode, 30 minutes and rising.

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                          • #14
                            Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

                            Pictures Help too !

                            Take some digital pics of yourself now, compare to older ones, keep taking them every couple of weeks

                            Make a journal too the goods the bads and the ups and downs. Something you can relate to later. I have old diaries here and there from past weigh loss journeys.

                            It's helping me to plan better this time, and realize where I messed up in the past, what knocked me off my path etc.
                            Restarting March 19, 2009
                            Weight 307 Lbs

                            Goal 1 - Clean Induction (14 Days) DONE
                            Goal 2 - Get Under 300 Lbs - Goal Met April 14, 2009
                            Goal 3 - 290



                            Started A Blog April 4, 2009
                            http://307pounds.blogspot.com/

                            Blood Pressure at start averaged 140/85 borderline Hypertension. Blood Pressure 18 days into plan has changed to 120/78 !!! Measured April 5, 2009

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                            • #15
                              Re: If you think you are stalling or in a pause...

                              great and timely advice/article. THANKSS
                              I love people who openly hate me, but I hate people who pretend to love me

                              Height: 5'5
                              Age: 25
                              Target Weight: 120lbs
                              Location: USA




                              first goal: -20lbs

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