Coconut flour ok during induction?

[BB66]

Hi everyone, I'm sure this answer is obvious but I love the low carb sweets I had been making before metabolic typing counselor told me to do full on induction...can I use coconut flour during induction? If not, when is it back on the menu again? Thanx!!!

[liv]

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A metabolic typing counselor? What is that?
Anyways - nuts are not allowed on induction. They are rung 3 on OWL

[BB66]

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It's a program in which ones 'metabolic type' is assessed through lab tests and / or a ling questionnaire...you can be a carb type, a protein type (me), or a mixed type. A diet plan is recommended depending on your metabolic type, and though it's not required, you can get coaching on the meal plan from a trained specialist. Basically I will follow an atkins style diet from now on, with a few minor tweaks (certain foods, like tomtoes, are eliminated for reasons other than carb load that have to do with the individuals body chemistry). The book is caled 'the metabolic typing diet'...

[BB66]

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Oops I meant long questionnaire... Sorry I'm on my phone writing this!

[imagood1]

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if you have been type metabolically why are you on the Atkins board?

[BB66]

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Hi -- I'm on the Atkins board because the type of diet I am following is extremely similar to Atkins, minus a few foods.

[not2late]

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Hi -- I'm on the Atkins board because the type of diet I am following is extremely similar to Atkins, minus a few foods.

Well, you have to be aware that we give advice based on the Atkins Diet only--specifically the Atkins Diet in the 2002 edition of the book. So whatever information you get from here may or may not help you. See, even the people who follow the 1972 version of diet aren't helped much by the information they get here because the diet changed in 30 years and what applied to it in 1972 doesn't necessary apply to it in 2002. And we've had a few 1972ers leave this board rather frustrated because our advice actually hurt their weight loss efforts.

So just be aware and warned.

[BB66]

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Great advice, thank you!!

[imagood1]

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If you read the book and follow the acceptable food lists and rungs you'll know the answer to the question you ask -- on the rungs almond flour isn't allowed until rung 3 so to answer your questions - NO almond flour isn't allowed on induction.

[LauraMG]

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If you read the book and follow the acceptable food lists and rungs you'll know the answer to the question you ask -- on the rungs almond flour isn't allowed until rung 3 so to answer your questions - NO almond flour isn't allowed on induction.

Not only are you rude, but you are evidently illiterate. The poor woman just wanted to know if COCONUT (not almond) flour is allowed in the induction phase!!!

Since coconut flour has only recently come into the low-carb spotlight, the person who dared to ask a question (ooh, a question) would not find the answer in an Atkin's diet book.

Incidentally, I was wondering the exact same thing about coconut flour. In fact, right before I arrived at this very page I typed "coconut flour Atkin's induction" into my Google search to see what I could find.

When I got to this page, I expected to see useful/helpful input, and that's pretty much what I saw... until I read your post. The person who originally asked a simple question about coconut flour seems to be new to the low-carb lifestyle and probably could've used some encouragement-- nothing like a little abuse from a diet zealot to get things started...

So, if anyone would be so kind to comment on coconut flour, which happens to be VERY low in carbs and very high in fiber, and if it's allowed during induction, I (and obviously some others) would greatly appreciate it. Of course, the chastising and belittling comments that may come along would better be left elsewhere.

Signed,
imabetter1

[chadcs]

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This brings up questions about other foods such as black soy beans. They are not the same as regular soy beans which are in an OWL rung. They contain 1 gram of carb per half cup, 7 g fiber, and 11 g protein. A very excellent low carb food but it is not in the book the same as many foods that would be acceptable if all foods were assessed.

This is where one needs to look at the overall reasons certain foods were listed and some were not. There is no way he could list every acceptable food and some, like black soy beans, can be difficult to find at times.

To say "go by the book" might work but would also unnecessarily limit people. In the end, it is your eating plan.

[Georgiana]

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For everyone here: You might not remember or be familiar with the ADBB TOS, so here is the link to it: http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.c...statement.html. Please read it and try to keep this thread within the TOS.

The coconut flour question has been answered by Liv, I believe. No nuts, in any form, are allowed during the Induction phase. Coconut flour is just coconut meat that is dried and defatted, and then grounded. Dr. Atkins specifically mentioned nuts in Chapter 11 of DANDR 2002 (the one that explains Induction):

4. Eat absolutely no fruit, bread, pasta, grains, starchy vegetables or diary products other than cheese, cream or butter. Do not eat nuts or seeds in the first two weeks. Foods that combine protein and carbohydrates, such as chickpeas, kidney beans and other legumes, are not permitted at this time.

Re: black soybeans

As you can see in Rule #4 above, no legumes are allowed during Induction. Rule #5 reinforces this:

5. Eat nothing that is not on the acceptable foods list. And that means absolutely nothing! Your "just this one taste won't hurt" rationalization is the kiss of failure during this phase of Atkins.

[sallyseachange]

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(as an aside... not a hijack)
I just tried to buy coconut flour (am on maintenance) in a shop here. They told me it was simply ground up dessicated coconut. No mention of it having been de-fatted. Perhaps it's different over in the States...

Edited to add...
Or... wait a minute... maybe dessicated coconut is already defatted?

[Georgiana]

Re: Coconut flour ok during induction?

(as an aside... not a hijack)
I just tried to buy coconut flour (am on maintenance) in a shop here. They told me it was simply ground up dessicated coconut. No mention of it having been de-fatted. Perhaps it's different over in the States...

Edited to add...
Or... wait a minute... maybe dessicated coconut is already defatted?

Dessicated coconut should be dried and shredded coconut, but not defatted. Compared to the real coconut flour, it has four times more fat and only half the fiber, so my guess is that you cannot simply substitute ground dessicated coconut in recipes that call for coconut flour.

I never saw real coconut flour in Germany or in the Netherlands. Like you, the stuff I find is ground dessicated coconut.

[not2late]

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I don't believe I've ever seen defatted coconut either. Dessicated just means dried. On another note, I have a co-worker who is originally from the Philippines, which supplies some of the world's coconut supply. Apparently the coconuts used for "shreds" or flour are the very poor quality, old coconuts that have been rejected from making other coconut products. She said the same goes for the coconut oil found in most stores.

Fresh, non-rancid coconut oil isn't supposed to smell like coconuts. When it begins to deteriorate, it gets a "coconut" aroma. I guess it's along the same rationale that fresh fish shouldn't smell fishy. I had a long talk with her about coconuts because store coconut oil makes my stomach queasy, whereas coconut oil processed fresh from real coconuts doesn't.

As for the legality of soybeans, etc., if it's not on the Induction Foods List, it isn't legal for Induction. It doesn't matter if it contains 0.00000000000000001 carbs. But remember, Induction is not the entire Atkins WEight Loss Diet and it lasts a minimum of 14 days. So if you want to eat non-Induction foods, on Day 15 move to On-Going Weight Loss Phase.

Induction is to get your body into the fat burning metabolism mode. You don't want to screw that up by experimenting with this non-legal food or that non-legal food.