day 8- still at 8#

**liv** · November 9, 2009, 03:42 PM

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I think it is best to travel up the OWL rungs once you enter OWL. You should not really jump back and forth just because - it becomes a lot like yo yo dieting. It is not going to give you any magical effect that you may be hoping for doing that either. The body does what it does.
OWL one is not more variety really - it is more veggies but I guess that can give you variety if you are creative. For many people adding that extra nutrition with veggies does help them lose weight.
Stay on induction for your 14 days and then decide what you are ready for. You probably would want to figure out what your rate of losing is (metablic rate) and read chapter 13 where Atkins talks about who should stay and who are better off OWLing.

Congrats on staying 8!!!

**RosieC** · November 9, 2009, 04:41 PM

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I lost more on week 2 of OWL rung 1 than on week 2 of induction, if that helps

**atkinsgal08** · November 9, 2009, 06:57 PM

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>>This is 2 days without a loss..>>

That's going to happen.

There's simply no guarantee that you will loose every day, every week, or even every month.

And ... you've been sick ... so give your body a break!

>>Dr. Atkins states it is safe to stay on extended induction, and if you move on to OWL and mess up, you can move back to induction.>>

Can you quote chapter and section on that?

Induction isn't generally something you go back to ... so many abuse Induction that way ... they think it's what you do to get yourself out of a mess ... and it's not really.

Staying on Induction too long is likely to be a problem.

Going back to Induction all the time is "abuse" of Induction.

The goal is to keep moving forward ... not one step forward, one step back.

No reason to confuse your metabolism!

**IrishIrish** · November 9, 2009, 08:05 PM

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I was "OWL-phobic" during my first year on Atkins. Contrary to what many think, OWL began my life long journey with Atkins. I wish I had begun it earlier. During Induction I was "white-knuckling" the plan and being pretty rigid. OWL is where I really began learning about how foods affected me and was my stage for Pre-Maintenance and Maintenance.

Dr. Atkins was a smart man and generously shared his plan with all of us. Follow his advice about when it is right for you to move on to OWL. But when you do move to OWL, use it wisely to learn about the various rungs and how different foods affect you.

Best wishes.

**tracyc** · November 9, 2009, 08:49 PM

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dr. atkins "proceed with caution!" heading on page 162.

he is warning about being ready to move on, and in the last section says "but the one thing we dont want to do is get you our of lipolysis and halt your foward momentum. if that happened we would have to resume induction, or as i chide so many of my patients, "it's back to square one". On the other hand, know that if you get into trouble, you can always return to induction for a few days to get your metabolism fired up again"

**atkinsgal08** · November 9, 2009, 09:04 PM

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>>dr. atkins "proceed with caution!" heading on page 162.>>

Alas ... it's not page 162 in my book. Since there's so many variations of DANDR, it's best to give chapter and section.

>>if you get into trouble>>

You're not "in trouble" though!

**liv** · November 9, 2009, 10:14 PM

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Atkins writes
"Proceed with caution. If you have decided to move to phase two, I want to remind you not to regard it a time to cut loose and undo all the good work you have just completed." I think what he is saying is that just because you have finished induction you cannot go wild. OWL is still structured. You add back things in order and only 5 net carbs of a time.
And then he says but OWL" is also very similar to Induction in that you will continue to derive the majority of your carbohydrates from vegetables low in carbs." It is often something people forget. They start to eat yogurt and berries and nuts or something and forget that the whole system is set up in such a way so that you still eat a lot of vegetables.
So it is not about the readiness of moving on. It is about misunderstanding what OWL is all about (Or at least that is how I read it)

**tracyc** · November 10, 2009, 10:18 AM

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i am taking it that if i move to owl, and find that the scale is not moving fast enough on owl1, i can move back to induction for a bit...OR, if i am stalling on atkins i can revert back to induction for a few days to flush the mistakes out of my system. i am thinking of doing 2 more weeks of induction anyway. i have alot to lose, and the book says people with alot to lose are ok to stay on induction longer. i agree, and to clarify becuase i dont want newbies thinking induction is a fall back, there is a chapter on the abuse of induction. This is a change of life, a change of eating habits and activity level, induction is not there to allow someone to be lazy and eat garbage!! hehe..im learning.

**atkinsgal08** · November 10, 2009, 10:30 AM

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>> i am stalling on atkins i can revert back to induction for a few days to flush the mistakes out of my system.>>

I wouldn't recommend that approach really ... how do you know they're "mistakes" unless you've been eating inappropriately.

Running back to Induction for a random reason is considered "abuse" of Induction in my opinion.

Stalls happen. There's ways to get through them ... going back to Induction isn't the first item on the list.

**liv** · November 10, 2009, 10:32 AM

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Well you know induction will be there.

But I don't see a need to plan to go back and forth. That is not what induction is for. If you go astray and you really need to find back to basics well then it is OK. But no need to plan for it on a regular basic I think. Don't worry so much Tracy - it will be fine

**tracyc** · November 10, 2009, 10:44 AM

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by mistakes i think about what i did when i ate a few things by accident during induction ie the meatballs that ended up having bread crumbs in it. Or if I am at someone's house for dinner and it is an unavoidable situation (ie. if my boss invites me to dinner and his lovely wife makes spaghetti, im sure not going to tell her i can't eat it. I wouldnt over eat, but if someone out there has balls enough to tell their boss that they can't eat, all the power to you, I wouldnt do it. I dont think it's a good approach to go back and forth, but i think dr atkins was putting it out there as a point that by making a mistake or having something we shouldnt have, instead of falling off the wagon and thinking that's it, i'm doomed, just remember that induction is always there to kick start us again. Really we have great opinions about it, but following what our dear Dr. Atkins said, he said it so it's part of the approach to learn.

**tracyc** · November 10, 2009, 10:45 AM

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oh and Liv, thanks...because i was planning to go back and forth, to jump start my weight loss. so i will just stay on induction and then move forward when i am ready.

**atkinsgal08** · November 10, 2009, 11:13 AM

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>>(ie. if my boss invites me to dinner and his lovely wife makes spaghetti, im sure not going to tell her i can't eat it. I wouldnt over eat, but if someone out there has balls enough to tell their boss that they can't eat, all the power to you, I wouldnt do it.>>

Some food for thought ... if you were deathly allergic to, say shrimp, would you tell your hostess or would you eat it anyway?

In a situation like this, you could minimize the damage ... eat only the meatball, if that's what it was ... or put a tiny amount on your plate and move it around.

Also ... a good hostess should ask her guests if they have any dietary restrictions ... not that you would expect her to serve an Atkins meal ... but mainly for allergies, etc.

It's part of "planning ahead".

And ... even if you did "have to" eat pasta, I still wouldn't recommend going back to Induction ... the best approach would be to just continue on where your were.

Unless of course, your cravings returned and the meal was "the kiss of death".

>>i was planning to go back and forth, to jump start my weight loss.>>

And now you know that's not a good idea!

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