Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[meat]

yeah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MEATWAGON ON THE WAY *TOOT TOOT* !!!!!!!

To my amazement I was in ketosis today after entering induction in a most strange manner.

3 days ago I ate a bunch of terrible food, piles of chocolate.. etc. Before I went to bed I ate a huge pile of fries and two pulled pork sandwiches.

Then I slept for... 19 hours !

That really took me by surprise, I've had the opposite problem lately of waking up way too early after 7 hours or so.

when I woke up I decided it was as good of a day as any to start working my way into a ketogenic diet.

I went to whole foods and bought a bunch of fresh chicken, salmon, ribs, cheese, broc, cauliflower, goat cheese, string cheese, mozzarella soaked in olive oil and herbs, a nice high end imported irish farm butter, bacon, hass avocados were on sale for $1 so i bought 6 or 7 of those.

I decided to experiment with transitioning into induction by eating avocados liberally as a fat source with protein.

Since avocado is considered a limited food I wasn't expecting them to put me in ketosis but considered it possible and i figured i could ratchet down my avocados over time if necessary.

So yesterday i ate 4 (!) avocados mashed up in a bowl with a whole package of apple gate farms nitrate free uncured bacon.

Then I ate 4 oz of string cheese...

Then later i had two chicken breasts (weighing 3/4th pound between the two of them) cooked with giant pats of fresh butter on them, and i made sure to dip and smother each bite into the butter.

Then i had an oz and a half of goat cheese.


Went to sleep.... when i woke up i got a keto stick out not expecting to see anything and it was a pretty deep hue of pink which shocked me !

I'm pretty happy, I can't believe it happened so fast and so easily.

The best part is, i feel fine so far !!!!!!!!!! No feeling yet.

I'm super excited !

So basically I unintentionally fasted for 25 hours before I ate my first ketogenic meal and I got knocked into ketosis in 2 days despite my carbohydrate source being "sky high" from 4 avocados.

Strange story 'eh?

[JosephVelder]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

holy avocado batman!!
that is a totally new approach to this induction bit...
so you carbed yourself into a 19hr coma then grubbed on super fat stuff and lean chicken. and whamo!!

I love it.

And here I am going on my sixth day of ultra low carb diet ultra low calorie and I am just now showing "traces" of pink...go figure.

[meat]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

yeah.. i didn't eat for 6 hours after i woke up though because i went shopping and ran errands and stuff first.. so it was a total of 25 hours.

not sure if anyone here is familiar with intermittent fasting but i read brad pilon's eat stop eat recently and a study came out last month showing intermittent fastings effectiveness in weight loss so i decided to view it as an unexpected fasting day, lol.

[miliem]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

So basically I unintentionally fasted for 25 hours before I ate my first ketogenic meal and I got knocked into ketosis in 2 days despite my carbohydrate source being "sky high" from 4 avocados.

what happens when do it that why is that you will go back to your old habits soon and gain weight. please read the book and do according to the rules of induction .another good reference book is atkins for life by dr atkins.

safe and happy induction

[meat]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

i read the book

i'm just sharing my story.

[miliem]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

its good to know,
i didn't want a fellow atkiner to lose his/her way.
take care

[fetch]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

And here I am going on my sixth day of ultra low carb diet ultra low calorie and I am just now showing "traces" of pink...go figure.

That is not Atkins. Go figure, indeed.

i read the book

If you read it, why aren't you following it? And reading it twice sometime in the months or years before August doesn't count. And don't forget that your "ketosis positive" stick was likely from all the dietary fat you gorged on versus from you own body fat. Remember: inches lost is the best way to demonstrate you are losing weight not some chemical strip. What happens when the strip's color fades just a bit? Of gods forbid, a lot? Will the lack of instant gratification kick off your admitted impatience to see daily progress or else forget it mentality and cause another face flop into another pile of chocolate, french fries and pulled pork sandwiches?

Personally, I think everyone has to learn on their own that "tweaking" Atkins and "making it my own" Atkins and "doing Atkins my way" does not work. It doesn't matter how much wind people blow in a person's direction, it is something people apparently can only learn from after experiencing it firsthand. But wouldn't it be swell if just once someone reads with open eyes and an open mind?

I wish you nothing but the best, Meat. But I must admit, it'll be interesting indeed to read how your experiment of not planning menus, not cooking and eating the way you want unfolds. Of course, if you want to talk about Atkins, more than happy to share what my 6+ years dance with this way of eating has taught me and the pitfalls I learned about the hard way.

[ziggy]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

when i started atkins i didnt follow it by the book either i just rushed it i had good weight loss but i missed some serious things like dont eat margarine cause what ever you do dont eat margarine

make sure you eat butter instead

watch this short video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCwVAkrHLq4&feature=rec-r2-2r-4-HM

i think it takes a good 2 years to purifiy the body of that crap

and remember not all carbs are the same there are rungs and whole wheat is rung 9 the last rung so even if theres a thin whole wheat wrap that only has 10 net carbs dont eat it! in the past i ate them and it 100% stalled my weight loss and it was only 10 net carbs but it was from a rung 9 food which is a much worse type of carb

and you should post a menu of what you eat i know it sounds annoying and not something you want to bother with doing but trust me it can really big time help with your health

also make sure you never eat soy or aspartame
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anyways heres a atkins induction list copy paste it and follow it it should make things alot easier


around 20 carbohydrates a day or less not counting fiber

About amounts - the 2002 edition of DANDR states that we can have 2 cups of Salad Veggies and 1 cup of Other Veggies, or 3 cups of Salad Veggies... even if you pick veggies with very low carb counts, the 3 cups rule stays in effect for Induction.

Here is a list of the Acceptable foods:

Acceptable Foods

These are the foods you may eat liberally during Induction:
all fish, all fowl, all shellfish, all meat, all eggs

*Oysters and mussels are higher in carbs than other shellfish, so limit them to four ounces per day.

**Processed meats, such as ham, bacon, pepperoni, salami, hot dogs and other luncheon meats and some fish may be cured with added sugar and will contribute carbs. Try to avoid meat and fish products cured with nitrates, which are known carcinogens. Also beware of products that are not exclusively meat, fish or fowl, such as imitation fish, meatloaf and breaded foods. Finally, do not consume more than four ounces of organ meats a day.

OTHER FOODS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE DURING INDUCTION

Cheese
You can consume three to four ounces daily of the following full-fat, firm, soft and semi-soft aged cheeses*, including:

cheddar
cow, sheep and goat cheese
cream cheese
Gouda
mozzarella
Roquefort and other blue cheeses
Swiss
*All cheeses have some carbohydrate content. The quantity you eat should be governed by that knowledge. The rule of thumb is to count 1 ounce of cheese as equivalent to 1 gram of carbohydrate. Note that cottage cheese, farmer's cheese and other fresh cheeses are not permitted during Induction. No "diet" cheese, cheese spreads or whey cheeses are permitted. Individuals with known yeast symptoms, dairy allergy or cheese intolerance must avoid cheese. Imitation cheese products are not allowed, except for soy or rice cheese but check the carbohydrate content.

Vegetables
You can have two to three cups per day of:

alfalfa sprouts
daikon
mushrooms
arugula
endive
parsley
bok choy
escarole
peppers
celery
fennel
radicchio
chicory
jicama
radishes
chives
lettuce
romaine lettuce
cucumber
moche
sorrel
These salad vegetables are high in phytonutrients and provide a good source of fiber.

Other Vegetables
You can have one cup per day of these veggies if salad does not exceed two cups. The following vegetables are slightly higher in carbohydrate content than the salad vegetables:

artichoke
celery root
pumpkin
artichoke hearts
rhubarb
asparagus
chard
sauerkraut
bamboo shoots
collard greens
scallions
dandelion
snow peas
bean sprouts
dandelion greens
spaghetti squash
beet greens
eggplant
spinach
broccoli
hearts of palm
string or wax beans
broccoli rabe
kale
summer squash
brussels
kohlrabi
tomato
bean sprouts
leeks
turnips
cabbage
okra
water chestnuts
cauliflower
onion
zucchini
If a vegetable, such as spinach or tomato, cooks down significantly, it must be measured raw so as not to underestimate its carb count.

Salad Garnishes

crumbled crisp bacon
grated cheese
minced hard-boiled egg
sauted mushrooms
sour cream

Spices
All spices to taste, but make sure none contain added sugar.

Herbs
basil
garlic
rosemary
cayenne pepper
ginger
sage
cilantro
oregano
tarragon
dill
pepper
thyme
For salad dressing, use oil and vinegar (but not balsamic vinegar, which contains sugar) or lemon juice and herbs and spices. Prepared salad dressings without added sugar and no more than two carbs per tablespoon serving are also fine.

Acceptable Fats and Oils
Many fats, especially certain oils, are essential to good nutrition. Olive oil is particularly valuable. All other vegetable oils are allowed, the best being canola, walnut, grapeseed, sesame, sunflower and safflower oils, especially if they are labeled "cold-pressed" or "expeller-pressed." Do not cook polyunsaturated oils, such as corn, soybean and sunflower oil, at high temperatures or allow to brown or smoke.

Butter is allowed. Margarine should be avoided, not because of its carbohydrate content, but because it is usually made of trans fats (hydrogenated oils), which are a serious health hazard. (Some nonhydrogenated margarines are available in health-food stores.)

You don't have to remove the skin and fat from meat or fowl. Salmon and other cold-water fish are an excellent source of omega-3 fatty acids.

Remember that trying to do a low-fat version of the Atkins Nutritional ApproachTM will interfere with fat burning and derail your weight loss.

Artificial Sweeteners
You must determine which artificial sweeteners agree with you, but the following are allowed: sucralose (marketed as Splenda), saccharin, cyclamate and acesulfame-K. Natural sweeteners ending in the suffix "-ose," such as maltose, fructose, etc., should be avoided. However, certain sugar alcohols, such as maltitol, do not affect blood sugar and are acceptable.

Saccharin has been extensively studied, and harmful effects were produced in the lab when fed to rats only in extremely high doses. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has removed saccharin from its list of carcinogens, basing its decision upon a thorough review of the medical literature and the National Institute of Science's statement that there is "no clear association between saccharin and human cancer." It can be safely consumed in moderation, meaning no more than three packets a day. Saccharin is marketed as Sweet'n Low.

We discourage the use of aspartame (marketed as NutraSweet and Equal) because of clinical observations that it slows weight loss in certain individuals. The FDA has approved the herb stevia for use only as a supplement, not as a sweetener.

The Atkins preference, however, is sucralose (Splenda), the only sweetener made from sugar. Sucralose is safe, noncaloric and does not raise blood sugar. It has been used in Canada for years, and the FDA recently approved it after reviewing more than 100 studies conducted over the past 20 years. Note that each packet of sugar substitute contains about 1 gram of carbohydrate, so don't forget to include the amount in your daily totals.

Acceptable Beverages
Be sure to drink a minimum of eight eight-ounce glasses of water each day, including:

Filtered water
Mineral water
Spring water
Tap water
Additionally, you can have the following:

Clear broth/bouillon (not all brands; read the label)
Club soda
Cream, heavy or light (limit to two to three tablespoons a day; note carbohydrate content)
Decaffeinated coffee or tea*
Diet soda made with sucralose (Splenda); be sure to count the carbs
Essence-flavored seltzer (must say "no calories" and should not contain aspartame)
Herb tea (without barley or any fruit sugar added)
Lemon juice or lime juice (note that each contains 2.8 grams carbohydrate per ounce); limit to two to three tablespoons
*Excessive caffeine may cause unstable blood sugar and should be avoided by those who suspect they are caffeine dependent. Everyone should try to avoid caffeine. Grain beverages (coffee substitutes) are not allowed. Alcoholic beverages are also not permitted during Induction; those low in carbohydrates are an option, in moderation, in later phases.

Special Category Foods
To add variety, each day you can also eat 10 to 20 olives, half a small avocado, an ounce of sour cream or three ounces of unsweetened heavy cream, as well as two to three tablespoons of lemon juice or lime juice. But be aware that these foods occasionally slow down weight loss in some people, and may need to be avoided in the first two weeks. If you seem to be losing slowly, moderate your intake of these foods

[English-bulldog]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

way to use them ketostix, they are GREAT! 5 stars.

[Georgiana]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

4 avocados per day is the wrong way to do Induction!

More than 4 oz of cheese per day is the wrong way to do Induction!

Eating no vegetables is not Atkins at all!

[meat]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

i would never eat margarine, soy, or aspartame in general, or any grains while on a ketogenic diet.

i realize it's about whole foods: vegetables, meats, and 4oz of cheese per day.

it wasn't intended to start induction, i was intending to cut the trouble foods out of my life and work my way towards induction, and then to my surprise i was (according to ketostix) in ketosis. I'm also feeling the loss of appetite and whatnot as well.

i was just posting my surprise and elation, not an invitation to be lectured about how i did everything wrong when i hadn't even really gotten started yet.

if the ketostix don't show anything, then why do they exist, why did the late dr promote them for this purpose, etc?

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

>>and 4oz of cheese per day.>>

That's the maximum ... not a minimum.

Somedays I don't have any cheese!

Cheese isn't required.

>>why do they exist,>>

Diabetics use them. They do have a very real purpose. That low carbers started using them for something else ... well, that happens all the time!

I suspect that if Dr. Atkins realized how people were going to be slaves to the sticks, he wouldn't have mentioned them!

[meat]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

in 2003 i did optifast, a liquid diet of 800 calories per day.

all you did was drink 5 balanced prescription meal replacement shakes per day, no food, no fat.

i was peeing dark purple on the ketostix.

i don't see anything in this article that refutes that i'm peeing out legitimate ketones and not whatever fat i ate:

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/forums/atkins-low-carb-dieting-faqs/82407-article-ketostix-color.html

what gives? why the stick-denial?

[atkinsgal08]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

No one said you weren't peeing out legitimate ketones.

The issue is ... the sticks don't work the same for everybody.

Not everybody turns them a color ... and they're still in ketosis.

And ... you can turn them a color and not be doing Atkins properly ... or even lose weight.

So rather than get stressed out about whether or not your pee turns a stick a color, why not just follow the Rules of Induction?

[meat]

Re: Kkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeettttttttooooooosssssssiiiiiiiii ssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!

>>and 4oz of cheese per day.>>

That's the maximum ... not a minimum.

Somedays I don't have any cheese!

Cheese isn't required.

i know. its just about satiety.