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    Hi there

    Started low carbing a good while ago now, but started to experience serious issues with my health (wide spread urticaria, angiodema often affecting my face, hands and feet, and some form of severe depression, perhaps secondary). I ended up visiting an allergy clinic to try and find out if it was actually food related or some other substance. Nothing could be detected. Although, I had a blood test and the results were pretty extreme/abnormal. I was somewhat worried about the high levels, so rather than worry my family kept it to myself in hope that it would somehow be resolved.

    After endless reading about low carb and improved health benefits of the Low/no carb way of eating, I have finally found the cause of my health issues (bit of a conincidence really!). I was a regular gym visitor until about 6months ago when things changed in my life. I did however continue to take in whey protein in order to keep 'building' muscle. Little did I know I was taking in far too much protein - this being the answer to my problem!

    I have discovered that excess comsumption of protein can cause skin allergies, and gout apparently (I didnt suffer from this luckily). Also, it can and will eventually cause problems for your kidney's which I believe I started to experience, as I eventually had slight pain and throbbing sensations in my upper back. Taking in too much protein can also stall weight loss, and even cause weight gain as excess is converted into glucose which you by all means dont want on a low carb diet!

    Now, I am returning to the program... feeling happier all round. I haven't gained any weight being 'away' for a while, so I think ill just continue where I left off

    CW 148lbs
    SW 148lbs - 5th Aug 08
    GW 127lbs

    GOAL 1 140
    GOAL 2 135
    GOAL 3 130
    GOAL 4 127


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    Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

    Wow, your post sounded just like me about 7 months ago. I also went through the same issues with urticaria, angiodema. Went to see a specialist, and they also couldn't find a cause. I have this on and off...sometimes I will go years without it and all of a sudden it pops up and is very severe, drives me crazy and just makes me want to crawl out of my skin!

    I'm glad you found out that information, I haven't heard that too much protien can cause this..it will be something I keep in mind!

    Glad you are doing well, if you ever wanna chat give me a holler!
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      Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

      Originally posted by D3anna View Post
      Wow, your post sounded just like me about 7 months ago. I also went through the same issues with urticaria, angiodema. Went to see a specialist, and they also couldn't find a cause. I have this on and off...sometimes I will go years without it and all of a sudden it pops up and is very severe, drives me crazy and just makes me want to crawl out of my skin!

      I'm glad you found out that information, I haven't heard that too much protien can cause this..it will be something I keep in mind!

      Glad you are doing well, if you ever wanna chat give me a holler!

      Hey, glad to hear that I am not the only one who was left in the dark with this (sorry that you had to experience it too though)
      I previously read that I needed to take in roughly 1g of protein per lb of Lean Body Mass. In my case that was around 109g = too much, for me, according to the reaction I get (waking up with severe pain and swollen face). This went on for 6 + months as I hadnt a clue what was happening to me!

      Having been working on adjusting my protein intake, I seem to be okay on one protein meal a day (pork, chicken, beef), then eggs and cheese at other meals. This maybe be different for other low carbers, guess its a case of trial and error!
      Last edited by Belle1984; October 30, 2008, 03:15 PM. Reason: mistake!

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      SW 148lbs - 5th Aug 08
      GW 127lbs

      GOAL 1 140
      GOAL 2 135
      GOAL 3 130
      GOAL 4 127

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      • #4
        Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

        i have never heard of either of these conditions. can you two please tell us what they are? this is really interesting! thanks!





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          Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

          Originally posted by misplaced southerner View Post
          i have never heard of either of these conditions. can you two please tell us what they are? this is really interesting! thanks!
          Sure, no worries!

          Urticaria is an allergy which can be caused by food, chemicals etc. It can appear anywhere on the body and looks like large raised red wheels (circles). As this is caused by a release of histamine in the body, they are often extremely itchy.

          Angiodema is severe swelling and inflammation. Again, I think this is a cause of the histamine and fluid collection at different sites on the body. This often affects the lips, eye lids, throat (can be fatal if blocks airway), fingers and feet, can also be painful due to the amount of fluid building up.

          Hope that explains it a little more!

          CW 148lbs
          SW 148lbs - 5th Aug 08
          GW 127lbs

          GOAL 1 140
          GOAL 2 135
          GOAL 3 130
          GOAL 4 127

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            Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

            thanks! wow that must have been terrible! i can't even stand getting hives!





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              Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

              Originally posted by misplaced southerner View Post
              thanks! wow that must have been terrible! i can't even stand getting hives!
              It sure was, especially when I had to take days off work because my face was soo swollen. Had to take myself over to A&E a few times with a swollen throat which wasnt pleasant either. Still, on the mend now though

              CW 148lbs
              SW 148lbs - 5th Aug 08
              GW 127lbs

              GOAL 1 140
              GOAL 2 135
              GOAL 3 130
              GOAL 4 127

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                Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

                Thanks for posting your experience. I see many lowcarbers relying on those protein shakes as an easy food substitute and I do worry about them overdosing on protein!
                Wondering how to get 'most' of your net carbs from your induction veggies?
                Take a look at the thread from the latest Veggie Challenge to see how others manage it!



                Check out our Low Carb Recipes website and add to it!!





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                  Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

                  Is 109 really too much? I think I have that much protein pretty much every day.
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                    Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

                    Originally posted by Elizellen View Post
                    Thanks for posting your experience. I see many lowcarbers relying on those protein shakes as an easy food substitute and I do worry about them overdosing on protein!
                    Not good at all - especially the chocolate favour, being soo addictive!

                    Its always full of sweetners - definately not the sort of protein low carbers should reach for. Animal proteins all the way from natural food sources only!

                    CW 148lbs
                    SW 148lbs - 5th Aug 08
                    GW 127lbs

                    GOAL 1 140
                    GOAL 2 135
                    GOAL 3 130
                    GOAL 4 127

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                    • #11
                      Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

                      Originally posted by liv View Post
                      Is 109 really too much? I think I have that much protein pretty much every day.
                      Not necessarily, I think I was probably going over that amount alot of the time too - whey protein being soo addictive! So dont worry, as long as your not eating masses of protein all through the day im sure you're fine. Plus, as long as you're still losing and not suffering any strange changes in your health then no problem.

                      CW 148lbs
                      SW 148lbs - 5th Aug 08
                      GW 127lbs

                      GOAL 1 140
                      GOAL 2 135
                      GOAL 3 130
                      GOAL 4 127

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                      • #12
                        Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

                        Well I kind of skeptic. I get that reaction from bloodworms. I do not eat them but if I touch them and them touch lips or eyes - they swell up (badly) I feed bloodworms to my fish - some of them are carnivours.
                        I have seen some vegetarian sites claim that protein in general causes all kinds of problems allergy being one of them - but I need to see some actual scientific claims backing it.
                        Startdate: November 18, 2007. Female 5'2"

                        May Challenges 2010
                        Push-ups: 450/800
                        Abs: 850/1900
                        Squats: 650/1200
                        Lunges: 500/1000
                        Strength: 490/1200
                        Running: 50/100 km


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                          Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

                          That's kind of funny since vegetarians still consume protein. I was raised vegetarian and people used to give my mum trouble all the time saying that we all needed more protein, but there are so many sources of it.

                          This thread is really interesting though - there are people all over who say "I'm going to the gym, I need to eat more protein" and don't realize that they're already eating a pretty decent amount just in a standard american diet and that they actually *can* eat too much...
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                            Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

                            Originally posted by liv View Post
                            Well I kind of skeptic. I get that reaction from bloodworms. I do not eat them but if I touch them and them touch lips or eyes - they swell up (badly) I feed bloodworms to my fish - some of them are carnivours.
                            I have seen some vegetarian sites claim that protein in general causes all kinds of problems allergy being one of them - but I need to see some actual scientific claims backing it.
                            Urticaria (hives) and angiodema are a reaction to something, not necessarily to protein, it can be caused by a range of things. Its something your body detects and reacts to as a defence mechanism.

                            I am also allergic to shellfish and again experience hives, but they look different to what I have experienced with high protein.

                            Just a quick link to my blood results - the urea level in my blood was 27.

                            Result
                            Comments
                            below 3.5
                            Low. Common explanations are low protein intake from diet, or liver disease. A low urea is normal in pregnancy.
                            3.6-5.0
                            Normal
                            5.0+
                            High. Suggests renal failure, dehydration, high protein intake, or bleeding. Levels over 8-10 are unlikely to be due to diet alone.
                            25+
                            Very high - suggests serious illness or renal failure

                            CW 148lbs
                            SW 148lbs - 5th Aug 08
                            GW 127lbs

                            GOAL 1 140
                            GOAL 2 135
                            GOAL 3 130
                            GOAL 4 127

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                            • #15
                              Re: 'Recovering' from health scare

                              It's very hard to pinpoint what causes this...your lucky you found out it was protiens bothering you.

                              I have reactions to different things, it's been asprin, shellfish, gelatin, and even when it gets really cold outside it causes me to get the urticaria. When I went to the specialist, they tested me for different things, and did scratch tests, and they all came back negative.

                              What is crazy with me and what confused the doctors so much, is that I could eat those things right now and it wouldn't bother me one bit. They couldn't explain it, they even got the book out (how often do you see a doctor do that? lol)...and it's not like I ate those things in the past in excessive amounts, so it remains a mystery for me and them.

                              My last episode with this lasted a good 7 months, of daily outbreaks, swollen lips, eyes, and welts the size of golf balls. It's pretty freaking scarey and embarassing (especially when it would happen when I was at work!) hopefully it won't show up again for a long, long time!!!

                              I have sympathy for anyone who has ever gone through this!!!!
                              Started Induction on 10/13/08
                              185/165/145

                              1st Mini Goal: 175 - 10/30/08
                              2nd Mini Goal: 165 - 11/21/08
                              3rd Mini Goal: 155


                              "If it's hard, it's worth it."
                              November Abs Challenge: 120/3000



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