Has anyone tried the Fat Fast?

[2big4mysize]

When you guys read your DANDR read it all Dr Atkins said you should take 6 months to lose that last 5-10 pounds not 6 weeks so it was not questionalble at all for an Atkins weight loss person. Using your Atkins correctly will teach us how to not only ,lose those pounds but become healthier doing it and keep it off for life and not be SlimFast yoyo dieters

When our protein portions are too high our liver will convert the excess proteins to sugar and dump them into out blood stream for storage. this causes our insulin rates to rise and since the fat burning hormone is in a negative feedback loop in our bodies with insulin it shuts off and that shuts off fat burning until those sugars are used up. When fats are not burned they are stored for later use so insulin bad for fat weigfht loss.

Again andrrreag you just finished the fat fast and again you over eat your first meal back. Dr Atkins said when we are not hungry eat some fat with our carbs period. not a 3 egg omlette. Atkins sucess is mostly do to us learning portion control based on our bodies not any other means of portion control for our fats and proteins.

You have missed a very inportant point of Atkins when you wrote about your foods and used a cobb salad in a restaurant as your example. Our hunger and phase of Atkins didctates the portion size not the amount in our serving. get a doggie bag or a to go box and box up thefood. i get it with my order when i eat out so I will not be even tempted to over eat my Atkins. Dr aTKINS WAS so concerned about learning portion controls he even gave instructiond for getting back in touch with out hunger in DANDR by saying to eat only 1/2 a plate and stop knowing you could eat again when you get hungry again to allow hunger to drive our eating and not enviornmental clues.

HAppy low carbing.

[andrrreag]

Since when do eggs not have fat in them? I had my omelette b/c I knew I needed to eat something coming off the fat fast, period and I needed the protein. I eat an entire cobb salad b/c I am hungry. Who are you to say what my body is feeling? I am not you. "Our" does not apply to me. Get it?

How about making this into a positive, rather than a presumptive bashing. If the moderator(s) could post a stickie regarding the subject, that would be helpful. Before I started the fast, I searched for the topic to no avail.

It is otherwise hard to digest information that could be beneficial when it is presented in a distasteful way, specifically about something such as the fat fast, which could be easily misinterpreted by a person feeling desperate. I believe that we are all here because there is a certain amount of desperation where we have come to the end of our rope.

I realize that everyone communicates differently, but on a topic such as this, "the facts babe, just the facts," I think would be the way to go. It has become bigger than just my stall.

However, I'm glad I posted my experience. At least I didn't do it in hiding, but someone could if they felt picked apart enough.

Happy Low Carbing

[not2late]

How about making this into a positive, rather than a presumptive bashing. If the moderator(s) could post a stickie regarding the subject, that would be helpful. Before I started the fast, I searched for the topic to no avail.

I've re-read this thread and the others you've posted. Desertthorn advised you to re-read the section in the book about Fat Fast. Again, with your weight loss, you are not metabolically resistant to weight loss, so according to the Fat Fast section, you were not a candidate for this.

When to do the Fat Fast

Let me make it clear that the Fat Fast is actually dangerous for anyone who is not metabolically resistant.

Quite frankly, rather than trying the Fat Fast, you would have been better off moving onto OWL. From what I've noticed here, the folks with less than 50 pounds to lose generally do better when they move onto OWL after their 14 day Induction. One of the admins, Betty, had a 50 pound weight loss goal. She lost 0 pounds during Induction. Betty would have been a better Fat Fast candidate than you. But Betty didn't do the Fat Fast. Instead, she moved directly into OWL and began losing.

[andrrreag]

I've been clear in that I wouldn't recommend it for people like me, but that I tried it for my own personal reasons.

My original question to the board was "Has anyone ever tried the fat fast?" It then got more personal, hence my reason for suggesting a stickie on the subject. Since when has anyone not tried a weight loss regime that was dangerous? If they've taken fen-phen or starved themselves, they're also going to try something that isn't applicable to them. That's just human nature, in my opinion. Thanks for the information.

[not2late]

I've been clear in that I wouldn't recommend it for people like me, but that I tried it for my own personal reasons.

My original question to the board was "Has anyone ever tried the fat fast?" It then got more personal, hence my reason for suggesting a stickie on the subject. Since when has anyone not tried a weight loss regime that was dangerous? If they've taken fen-phen or starved themselves, they're also going to try something that isn't applicable to them. That's just human nature, in my opinion. Thanks for the information.

That's true people do dangerous stuff like starve themselves or vomit or take laxatives to lose weight. But it's not healthy.

Here on ADBB we don't advocate doing things that can endanger one's health. We like to promote healthful weight loss and healthful lifestyles.

That's why we don't encourage or support Fat Fast for anyone who is not metabolically resistant. And the times where the Fat Fast was recommended it was after the dieter had done everything (clean Induction, watching calories and carbs, exercise, medical work ups for thyroid disease, etc.). In other words, it is a last resort, not a first one.

So, you won't find support from us here if you want to do something that is dangerous and isn't indicated for this WOE.

[andrrreag]

I'm not asking for your support. I was suggesting an actual section addressing it if it's so dangerous. I certainly would've liked to have found more info on it here, rather than experiencing how appalling it was to others, or to be made some sort of example. It is quite possible that more people have tried it than are willing to admit.

[not2late]

There's really not much to add about the Fat Fast, other than what's in the book.

Dr. Atkins spelled it out clearly that it was only for metabolically resistant people. 2Big might be able to tell you for sure how many ADBB members have been that metabolically resistant that they needed the Fat Fast, but from what I can remember there have been only 1 or 2.

Oh yeah, in terms of why it's dangerous....It's a type of 'modified protein sparing fast'. The decrease in caloric intake in combination with the diuretic effect of the ketosis can lead to things like electrolyte imbalances (like the kind Terry Schiavo had), severe hypoglycemia, etc. Many bariatric centers in the US use a form of the modified protein sparing fast for severely obese individuals (those with hundreds of pounds to lose). These folks are admitted to the hospital during their fast to ensure they don't encounter any of these problems. What's interesting about the safety issue is that Fat Fast does not appear in the later Atkins publications and that section has been removed from the atkins.com site---interestingly it disappeared about the same time someone sued Atkins Nutritionals and Dr. Atkins' estate for medical malpractice due allegedly caused by the diet.

[2big4mysize]

Since when do eggs not have fat in them?

who said they didn't?

...... I had my omelette b/c I knew I needed to eat something coming off the fat fast, period and I needed the protein....

A little worried that I'm not hungry. Had a 3-egg omelette this morning w/spinach, but it was hard to finish.

my italics your words
again you type words on the board which we read and respond to which is how this place works. you say I'm not hungry I could barely finish it that is overeating by any definition and something Dr Atkins advised against on his plan. If you needed protein and were going for protein there are much higher protein foods then 5 grams each of eggs

I eat an entire cobb salad b/c I am hungry. Who are you to say what my body is feeling? I am not you. "Our" does not apply to me. Get it?

you used the restautant cobbsalad to define a veggie serving size for a meal. go read your post. No where does it say i eat 2 cups of lettuce in that sitting because I'm hungry. had you done that I and others would have advvised you to order more fats and proteins so you could balance your carbs out during all meals. I offered you a way to not overeat your vegies since your post as about veggie serving size by using a doggie bag.

[ditien]

Hey andrrreagg,
When i first saw this post i remember thinking i should write about my experience and actually i thought i did but it turns out i didnt i must have been exhausted.
Im actually very surprised with your weight loss. I think i tried the fat fast after i had been in a stall for 3 months. the effects no weightloss plus it was like my metabolism slowed down because no matter what i did the next 3 months i didnt lose any inches nor weight. so i got more frustrated tried doing it again and i couldnt stick at.
Now you do realise you have an overall weightloss aim of 12 pounds that compared to other folks is very little. I dont think you should maintain eating in induction i suggest you move on to the other stages so that you make this a way of life instead of a quick remedy.
Either way good luck and hope every thing works out for you.
didi

[SoniaL]

Andrrreag,

I did find a link on the internet on Fat Fast. I am sorry for all the bashing you are getting for posting this link. I do understand that some people think that its not healthy to do the Fat fast, but I think it should be posted just that way "we don't think its a good idea" or "Its really not healthy because..." and not bashing you for asking questions. I do understand that they are concerned but some people have the wrong way of saying things. I Hope you are doing well and I am glad you got into your jeans! :joy

[not2late]

Andrrreag,

I did find a link on the internet on Fat Fast. I am sorry for all the bashing you are getting for posting this link. I do understand that some people think that its not healthy to do the Fat fast, but I think it should be posted just that way "we don't think its a good idea" or "Its really not healthy because..." and not bashing you for asking questions. I do understand that they are concerned but some people have the wrong way of saying things. I Hope you are doing well and I am glad you got into your jeans! :joy

Actually Sonia "we" aren't the only people who thought/think Fat Fast is dangerous for people who are not metabolically resistant to weight loss.

Dr. Atkins, himself, wrote in DANDR 2002

Let me make it clear that the Fat Fast is actually dangerous for anyone who is not metabolically resistant.

That's word-for-word out of the book. So lump Dr. Atkins into the " some people " category too. And considering this is his diet and he was a medical doctor, I'd take his opinion and advice over someone who hasn't bothered to read the book or look into the potential consequences of the Fat Fast any day.

(I'm locking this thread, because it's really run its course. All the information about Fat Fast and the non-metabolically resistant has been discussed.)