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  • How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

    I'm curious, since everyone seems to do OWL slightly different, how all of you are going through it. I know some of us stuck to one rung to find their CCLL, and then moved up the ladder... others moved up the ladder and stuck to 20g net...

    Basically, I want to know how you were/are successful. How did you make it work for you? How did you get past the slow or stalled periods? What 'experiments' did you have to carry out to make Atkins unique to you?

    Me? I'm frustrated. I had gotten to the nuts rung, and was playing with 30 net carbs to try and find my CCLL. I had been toying with 30 for a while - but for the most part, was eating moreso in the 20 - 25 range, with a 30g day every so often. I was losing steadily at anywhere from 1 - 3lbs a week.

    I decided to move up to berries, and get serious at getting in my 30g to figure out my CCLL. I've *never* gone over 5g of berries, and the only berries I've had during that time are strawberries and blueberries, and with one exception, always in their natural form. [Tried Smuckers no-sugar-added strawberry jam once, and didn't think it was worth the added carbs cause of its 8mg sucralose per tbsp serving! Yow.] And this is about the time when my weightloss slowed down to a crawl. Or a yo-yo depending on how you look at it - I've been bouncing around 155 - 157.5 for almost a month. As of today, I've seen 155 lbs a grand total of SIX times.

    So the experiment began. I started going over my food journal/fitday with a finetooth comb to make sure I wasn't breaking any rules. Check.

    I paid attention to keeping my calories reasonable to make sure that wasn't it. Check. I actually gained .5 lbs doing that. Hah!

    I dropped down to 25g to see if my carb level was too high, all the while being totally disappointed if I was actually going to have a CCLL this low, despite exercising and eating properly and everything. Check. Didn't do a thing, my weight hovered around the same .5 lbs. But I know already this is a level I regularly lose at - I was losing here for well over a month and a half.

    So finally, I decided to hit Induction for a couple of days. I figured this would be the real test as to whether it was just my body reaching a 'set point,' or whether it was the food I was eating.

    I went back to a clean Induction for 4 days, and lost 2.5 lbs. Ok then. That answers that question - obviously my body isn't settling into a set point.

    I'm pretty sure berries are not my problem, as I'm not eating even remotely enough of them on a regular basis - I am suspect of my nuts/seeds. I'd gotten pretty keen on flax about the same time this started happening, and was paying more attention to how much flax I was eating instead of how they were contributing to my 5g of nuts/seeds. Doh. So I'm thinking my 1oz of walnuts and/or almonds a day, plus my flax per day, was putting me over the top, and I wasn't even realizing this. Though I can't imagine it put me over by much - if I think of a typical day, it was at most 3g over. Either that or my body just cannot do nuts + seeds every day. Prior to the flax, I was eating nuts on a daily basis, and it hadn't affected me. Hm. Any ideas?

    Of course, I've had MANY theories as to why my body is doing what its doing the last month and a half, this could be yet another one that doesn't work out.

    I'll be honest and say that trying to climb and ladder AND find my CCLL at the same time is something I think I have trouble doing. So far its just worked out that as I've moved up the ladder and added 5g that I've kept losing. Now that something isn't working, I have no idea whether its the number or the food because I'm doing both at the same time. I mean, I'm almost sure its the food not the number, but not entirely sure.

    Today I'm doing OWL, Rung 1 - veggies, at 30g. But for those of you who do it this way - one rung the entire time to find your CCLL, how do you manage the fact that you can only have 5g extra veggies and STILL get in 30?

    So confused.
    Current: 194.5 / 179.5 / 145
    Current Start Date: September 24, 2009

    Previous: 185 / 136 / 130
    Previous Start Date: May 9, 2005

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    Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

    To be specific, here's my fitday report for the last month:



    I officially committed to 30g and the berries rung on August 15th. I started to get really into the flax on August 24th. You can see that I've been hovering at this weight for a month, more or less.

    I know I'm not stalled - I did lose inches last month, tho I have yet to take inches for this month. I'll do that tonight.
    Current: 194.5 / 179.5 / 145
    Current Start Date: September 24, 2009

    Previous: 185 / 136 / 130
    Previous Start Date: May 9, 2005

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    • #3
      Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

      Hi Ry,
      I'm sort of in the same boat as you, except that I'm not doing everything right like you are! I have been hovering between 187-191 for about 1.5 months. I keep having cheats though, so I'm not even close to figuring out what my CCLL is until I can stop eating all the wrong foods.

      I just wanted to say that I think when you stay on rung 1 to find your CCLL, you're not adding in only 5g of veggies, you're adding in 10 or 15 or whatever it is you need to up the count. I think that ends up being like 27 cups of veggies though, so good luck
      F/30/5'4"
      246.5/242.5/180 (updated 2/18/0


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      • #4
        Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

        I am a bit confused as to what rung you are on - as you say you are on the veggies rung and eating berries but also have been having an ounce of nuts every day too, AND adding more flax.

        Maybe you need to drop the berries, extra flax and nuts till you decide to move onto the relevant rungs (#3 and 4)?
        Wondering how to get 'most' of your net carbs from your induction veggies?
        Take a look at the thread from the latest Veggie Challenge to see how others manage it!



        Check out our Low Carb Recipes website and add to it!!





        F/60 yrs/5ft 5.5" (Though due to collapsing vertebrae I am now only 5'3" - but I refuse to recalculate my BMI )

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          Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

          I am on the berries rung. I added in nuts on the nuts rung. However, I added in more flax while about two weeks into the berries rung.

          I think I need to clarify that I didn't put two and two together that flax was a *seed* and therefore needed to be counted as part of my 5g of nuts and seeds. I have been eating flax here and there since induction knowing that 2tbsp was legal, but only started eating it on a regular basis recently.

          I was always under the assumption that you could add back foods from a previous rung without having to drop back down to that rung to do so, so long as you gave it to the time and attention as with other foods you've added back. Is that wrong?

          Edited to add: Dropping back down the veggies rung is just something I'm experimenting with as I try and get OWL 'right.' Since I don't know whether its my food, and if it is, what food, or if its the number, I figured jumping right down to this foundation and working with adding the foods in again was a good place to start.
          Current: 194.5 / 179.5 / 145
          Current Start Date: September 24, 2009

          Previous: 185 / 136 / 130
          Previous Start Date: May 9, 2005

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          • #6
            Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

            Originally posted by Effie
            Hi Ry,
            I just wanted to say that I think when you stay on rung 1 to find your CCLL, you're not adding in only 5g of veggies, you're adding in 10 or 15 or whatever it is you need to up the count. I think that ends up being like 27 cups of veggies though, so good luck
            Jen, 39, F
            In maintenance



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            • #7
              Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

              I think I'll provide regular updates in here as to how I'm at least going about figuring this out this great OWL experiment.

              Why? I really wish we had more in-practice stories of how others have done OWL successfully. We have a lot of stickies with the rules, but not much of "here's what I did to get it to work for me." I know there isn't a one-size fits all OWL for everyone, but hearing about everyone's journey at least can provide some insight, I think.

              Here were yesterday's eats:

              Breakfast - Frittata [3 eggs, mushrooms (1.2oz), tomato (1.6oz), cheddar (1oz), oregano]

              Lunch - Pork Cutlet & a Salad [romaine (2 cups), cucumber (2.2oz) & garlic herb dressing (1tbsp) - need more groceries!]

              Snacks
              - Cheddar (1oz)
              - "Pumpkin Treat" [pumpkin (1/2 cup), butter (1tbsp), cream (1tbsp), pumpkin pie spice (1/4 tsp), 1 pkt splenda]
              - 1 lrg hardboiled egg
              - pepperette

              Dinner - Burger topped with jalapeno havarti (.5 oz), celery (4.4oz), ranch dressing (1tbsp)

              That came out to 25.03g, a ratio of 69%/5%/26%, and got me all my required veggies, plus my extra 5g of veggies, and kept me at or under all my other allowances. This morning the scale was down a pound. Hopefully that means so far so good. We'll see in a few days.

              I think what I'll do is progress back up the rungs again, but at a faster pace than the last time, where I was spending anywhere from 2 weeks to a month and a half per rung. I haven't quite figured out my plan of action yet with regards to this - still want to spend some more time thinking about it. I'll report back with it later.

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              Last edited by rybread; November 12, 2005, 08:12 AM.
              Current: 194.5 / 179.5 / 145
              Current Start Date: September 24, 2009

              Previous: 185 / 136 / 130
              Previous Start Date: May 9, 2005

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              • #8
                Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

                I want to clarify my earlier comment about the 27 cups of veggies. It was sarcasm, and wasn't intended to confuse!

                What I meant was that if you're up to 30g carbs and you're only eating from the veggie rung, you could potentially be eating a butt-load of veggies in order to reach the 30g daily. Unless, of course, you're eating higher carb veggies. That's all... carry on!

                Rybread - I think it's an excellent idea to lay it all out like you're doing. I also wondered about what other people did specifically, because even though I knew how to OWL, I was still hungry for more information. It's tough going from the strict regime of Induction to the footloose & fancy free world of OWL. Liberating though, wouldn't you say?
                F/30/5'4"
                246.5/242.5/180 (updated 2/18/0


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                • #9
                  Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

                  I stayed on the Veggie Rung to find my CCLL. When I originally found it, I had lost maybe 30 pounds from my starting weight and my CCLL was 35. I ate near my CCLL and moved up the ladder slowly to try out different foods in the rungs. Since I ate nearer my CCLL, I lost weight a bit more slowly than some folks---which is fine for me because I've never set a weight loss deadline.

                  In the meantime, I began exercising more (because I could, not because I had to) and found that I would become very tired and very hungry between meals and during meals. For a while I thought that exercising created cravings and an urge to overeat. So I upped the fat alittle: upping the fat would prevent my in-between meal cravings/hunger, right? Nope. It didn't do that and I stopped losing pounds and inches!

                  Eventually, I re-read DANDR and saw that if you exercise, your CCLL might be higher. So I had to increase my carbs until I found my "new" CCLL. That's 45. Now I don't feel tired all the time and I've lost the urge to overeat.

                  I don't regret staying on the veggie rung to find my CCLL because 1. veggies aren't hgh calorie, 2. I enjoy veggies, 3. I was able to have hearty soups because I did this during winter and 4. I was able to stop taking fiber supplements for constipation!

                  However, I did find some problems on the veggie rung. For example, I can't eat combinations of eggplant and tomatoes because whenever I do, I feel like overeating. Likewise, I don't eat plain tomatoes more than 3 times a week because it awakens and the overeating thing in me.

                  On the dairy rung, I found that I can only eat 1 brand of ricotta cheese without having any problems like not losing pounds or inches.

                  On the nut rung, I found that I cannot eat salted nuts and I cannot eat more than 1 ounce of nuts.

                  Berry/ Melon rung: I can't eat cantaloupes because they bring about horrible stomach growling cravings regardless of if I eat the cantaloupe with a fat or after a meal.

                  Alcohol Rung: I more or less skipped that but I do use maybe a tablespoon or two in my cooking. No problems with that small amount.

                  Legumes: No problems with the legumes I tried out.

                  Other fruits: no problems with the ones I tried out.

                  Starchy veggies: no problems, BUT I did find that potatoes don't taste as good as they once did and since I'm a potatoes/rice/pasta junkie, that's saying alot.

                  Grains: I can't eat certain wheat products because they aggravate my asthma and allergies.

                  So my point is this. If you hit a snag on your OWL Ladder, don't immediately fall off the Ladder and run back to Induction. Just look and see what food(s) you have added and remove them from your diet for a week. If your weight loss resumes and/or the blood sugar instability problems go away, then you know it's that particular food---not the entire rung. As you can see from my OWLing, it took ALOT of trial and error to find the one brand of ricotta cheese that didn't affect my.

                  Likewise, if you've added an additional 5 net carbs and you stop losing weight, you can do one of 2 things. 1. Drop down to the previous level you were eating for a week or two and see what happens. 2. If you suspect it's a food and not the carb level, drop that food but eat at that carb level for a week and see what happens. No need to go back to Induction unless you've really fallen off.

                  ~Megs~
                  242/141/160 (130)
                  dress size 26/10/8
                  5'4", Female, May 2, 2003
                  My blog:
                  http://mformiscellaneous.blogspot.com/

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                  • #10
                    Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

                    That's a great way to explain it Megs. I think alot of people are afraid of OWL, and approach it a little too cautiously. This WOE takes some time, and experimentation, and I think this experimentation is what makes someone successful when in maintenance. You're better to spend the time now finding the foods you can tolerate and your CCLL.

                    Exercise does also play a big part in this as well. I've recently learned that for me exercise is not negotiable. And like Megs says it will also raise your CCLL and allow you alot more room for a few more carbs!
                    Jen, 39, F
                    In maintenance



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                    • #11
                      Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

                      Thanks for the awesome post, Megs. I've always found your posts on OWL particularly insightful.

                      I think for me, being a tad more meticulous and perceptive than I had been before, while I re-introduce those foods again, is what I have to do to figure out where I hit my 'snag.' I know veggies aren't it, and I know 25g isn't it. I already know my limitations with dairy, as I spent a fair bit of time there - I have to keep to induction levels of cheese, cream, etc, or I won't lose, and I need to be careful of yogurt because in combinations with some other foods, it causes cravings. So I'm almost sure dairy isn't it, either. Its the nuts/seeds and berries area that I think I need to spend some time working through again. Though to be sure, I'm going to climb them all again, and hopefully be back to being comfortable in the berries rung again by the end of the month.
                      Current: 194.5 / 179.5 / 145
                      Current Start Date: September 24, 2009

                      Previous: 185 / 136 / 130
                      Previous Start Date: May 9, 2005

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                      • #12
                        Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

                        Great reply, Megs. OWL is so individualized and sometimes takes a little more effort but the payoff is lifetime success.

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                        • #13
                          Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

                          I also had a stall in OWL... for a month. I just yo-yo'd around a certain weight, moving up and down a fraction. Boy was I bored with the scales after a month of seeing more or less the same weight! But then suddenly, the weight started dropping off again... and I got where I was going rather sooner than planned! So...don't get disheartened, it's probably just a little 'pause'.

                          As for the adding carbs thing...well, I don't seem to be able to eat to order very well (I mean I can't eat exactly a certain number of carbs each and every day.) I tend to increase approx 5 grams in general; continuing to up and down on the carb scale daily...but to up and down that little bit higher than previously. Like one day 25, another 30 and another 28, for a while...then, after a carb increase, one day 30, another 35 and another day 29. Hope that makes sense... I know what I want to say, but can't seem to say it very well!

                          Hang in there... this WOE works!
                          Sal
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                          • #14
                            Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

                            you said the scale isn't moving but you didn't say anything abiout inches lost. Many times we are losing inches of fat while we add bits of muscle mass and the scales don't tell us the whole story.

                            Yep as Megs just demonstrated OWL is the great food experiment part of Atkins. Every time you do a new rung you have 3 factors going on and you have to test and retest to seee which it is if you hit a snag. was it the new rung? was it the new rung foods you chose? was it your CCLL? Also while you are working out which of thosae it was your body has other things going on and they too can effect scale loss like fluid retentions, bowel movements, hormones just to mention a few of them.


                            Also with all the flax you were talking about you could easily be holding lots more fluid weight in your gut as flax is very good at absorbing fluids and holding them.

                            Hang in there and test and repeat the tests was it just you was it the level was it the foods keep great notes on what you did and soon like Megs you will see legal foods that are triggers for you. Celery and Splenda are mine.

                            Happy OWLing
                            by the book atkinseer

                            started 6/1/02 at 313
                            goalie 5/04 at 167 with under 15% body fat ADBB Presidents exercise Challenge


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                            • #15
                              Re: How did you do OWL? (It got long...)

                              Yesterday was one of those perfect OWL kinda days. I'm feeling back in the swing of things.

                              Breakfast
                              - Frittata (1.2oz mushrooms, 1oz cherry tomatoes, 2.1oz ground beef, 1oz brie, 3 eggs, 1tbsp olive oil, .25tsp oregano)

                              Lunch
                              - Chicken salad (4oz chicken, 2cups romaine, 2.4oz cucumber, 1tbsp roasted red pepper dressing)

                              Dinner
                              - Stuffed Peppers (green pepper, ground beef, tomato, onion, garlic, cheddar)

                              "Dessert"
                              - 3.5oz strawberries
                              - 2tbsp whipping cream

                              Snacks
                              - hardboiled egg
                              - cinnamon flax muffin
                              - 2.3oz celery w/ 1tbsp ranch dressing
                              - 1.1oz cheddar
                              - 2 turkery pepperoni sticks
                              - 1oz almonds

                              Water - 100+ oz.

                              Exercise - 25 minute walk. [Wasn't feeling well enough for more than that. I've got a cold.]

                              The breakdown:
                              - 1601 Calories
                              - 63%/7%/29%
                              - 29.62 net carbs
                              - Within all my 'allowances.'

                              And I said goodbye to 1.5lbs on the scale overnight. Whoooosh!
                              Current: 194.5 / 179.5 / 145
                              Current Start Date: September 24, 2009

                              Previous: 185 / 136 / 130
                              Previous Start Date: May 9, 2005

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