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**higgies** · November 9, 2006, 07:38 AM

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For induction it sounds like a lot of veg. Unfortunately, I don't know how the grams to cups works out....

Elizellen!!!

we need you here...

The foods themselves sound good to me though!! If you are overdoing anyhting...the veg is the thing to do. At least they're good for you!

**2big4mysize** · November 9, 2006, 10:03 AM

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you are right there was an error in your book. A UK editor knowing US cups would confuse UK readers thought he would do y'all a favcor and convert them to UK measures. He didn't realize that american cups are a volume measure and thouse ounces convert to mls not weight grams. we have two types of ounces and they confues us too.

you need to be having 2 cups of the salad veggies and 1 cup of the other veggies OR 3 cups of just the salad veggies every day divied up to all meals. they convert to mls

we have a UK section and I think the link to the converson site it there. the USDA has a website that lists foods by grams and cups and you can see letuce is a very lite veggie so son't have 2000 grams of it.

**Alexa** · November 9, 2006, 11:48 AM

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Oh my gosh! I thought it was too good to be true - I've been eating mountains of salad and veg. It appears I haven't actually been eating right for the induction the whole time! I've been on OWL...

Not sure how to proceed, because my weight loss has been great. Hmmm. I think I'll go and work out what a cup of veg and salad looks like.

Thanks for your comments and advice,

Baarb

**Elizellen** · November 9, 2006, 05:49 PM

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Yes, 2big is right, we need to measure our veggies in 'cups' for induction to make it easier!
You can buy cup measures in most large supermarket chains or cook shops which makes it simpler, or use a metric measuring jug - 1 US cup = 237 mls.

Once you work out how much veggies you have been having you will probably find you are eating as if you are on the veggies rung of OWL (having 5 net grams or maybe 10 grams extra of your induction veggies) so no harm done.

If you are happy with your food choices and still losing weight then stay as you are, just know you are eating more carbs than you thought!

BUT I just noticed you have about 30 pounds still to goal, meaning you might want to look at moving to OWL sooner than December 14th to allow you the time to conduct the great OWL experiment with plenty of time to move to premaintenance when you are 5-10 pounds from goal.

**Alexa** · November 10, 2006, 03:39 AM

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Hi Elizellen,

Thanks very much for your advice. I'm a bit torn because on the one hand I think you are right about going through OWL properly, but on the other hand I am very curious to find out what induction is actually like. Otherwise I'll have done Atkins without ever having done induction!

I had just decided to do induction for 2 weeks to see how it goes, but I'm not sure. I'll have to ponder some more...

I'm off out to look for some cups now

Thanks,

Baarb

**2big4mysize** · November 10, 2006, 09:21 AM

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don't worry about redoing induction all induction is a time for you to learn about how you can live with out all those high carbs, detox your body and oractice getting your eating in control by only feeding your hurnger and not the empty wpace in tyour belly.
Since you have shed 20 pounds you know Atkins style works for you and you are in ketossi so just stay with what you are doing and read chaopter 14 of your DANDR and our OWL board stickies. the only thing we do in OWL we don't do in induction is slowly add more carbohydrates testing our body's reaction to those carbs. you do it in a prescribed manner in small 5 net carb incrimebts. I call OWL the great food experient.

you are doing fine

**Alexa** · November 10, 2006, 03:00 PM

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Hello,

I think that you are right about not going back to induction if things are going ok. However, do you think I would be best to go back to 25g per day and then add week by week? Or should I add from where I am now? However, I worked out I was eating about 60-80g of carbs a day and it was all from veg - so if I add from that point I won't know how the food on the different rungs affects me and I want to try others too.

Also, though perhaps this question would be better in the OWL forum, how long do people stay on each rung? I've looked in FAQs and the book but couldn't find an answer. If it is up to the individual how long is typical?

Thanks very much,

Baarb

**2big4mysize** · November 10, 2006, 03:36 PM

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go from where you are since you are losing you have not reached your CCLM and can add more carbs still

time on a rung is an individual thing you can stay along time like NOT2LATE did and throuroughly investigate the foods there in a controlled manner or you can move quickly one week at a time and see what happens.

if you get into trouble just stop and back down one addition and let thigs stabilize and then see if it was the more carbs or more foods. some folk have issues with some foods on some rungs and other brezze right thorough.

**Alexa** · November 11, 2006, 02:46 AM

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Hey 2big4mysize,

Thanks so much for all your help with this - and for answering the above question twice! I think you are right about the adding of carbs. It's quite exciting! But also scary, because induction feels safe. I think I'll take it slowish, at least at first.

Thanks again.

**2big4mysize** · November 11, 2006, 08:54 AM

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no problem just remeber you will not be able to estimate yuor CCLM propperly in the chapter 14 OWL charts cause you were having too many carbs for your 14 day loss to be induction loss.

**Elizellen** · November 11, 2006, 04:24 PM

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And just a note here - were those 60-80 carbs you ate 'net carbs' (total carbs less fibre carbs)?

If so it looks as if you are going to have a fairly high CCLL

**Alexa** · November 11, 2006, 05:31 PM

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I worked out the 60-80 by seeing how many cups the veg was weighing out as per the UK edition. As 3 cups of salad/veg = 20g of carbs I worked out I was having about three or four times that at least!

So yes I guess my CCLM will be high, which is majorly surprising as I could never lose weight before. I do a lot of excercise, so I guess that's a factor and also most of my diet was carbs before (used to be vegetarian).

**2big4mysize** · November 11, 2006, 09:56 PM

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no those are not right either. lettuce is very low carb one cup of lettuce weighs 28 grams and had .6 grams of carbs. you could ahve a lot of lettuce to be 20 grams of carbs. one cup of whole mushrooms weighs 96 grams and has 2.15 net carbs.

Dr atkins tells us to limit our total from all sources to 20 net grams of carbs and we must get the majority of our grams of carbs from those vegies which he limits to 3 cups total.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

try this site for your veggies type in the name and then from the list select them the way you had them like I picked green eaf lettuce and whole white musrooms. then tell it how many cups you want and it will give you the cup weight of the food in grams and the nutritiona;l value of the foods and you can lok up the carbohydrates.

In the UK the fiber is already rmoved from your total carbs on the labels but in the US it isn't soe we subtract fiber from total to get out net carbs.

Happy low carbing.

**Elizellen** · November 12, 2006, 05:27 AM

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2big is right - unless you were eating the higher carb veggies (brussell sprouts for instance are about 7 net carbs per 6 ounces weighed raw then cooked I think) you probably werent too far off your 20 net carbs even if you were eating more than 3 cups, so dont fret it!!

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