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**MustLose80** · November 15, 2006, 03:48 PM

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Oh boy, I can't get this thing to work for me.

Originally posted by MustLose80

Ok, going to try this again. everytime I try, it tells me I am not logged in when I go to post after typing it all out.

My ketostix said I was in ketosis, but I wasn't losing weight. I stayed on induction for 4 weeks and lost 10 the 3rd week, only to gain weight back the 4th. I am going to post my worst possible diet day, then a typical one after that. See if you can see where I went wrong. I am open to all knowledge you can give me.

(worst possible) Breakfast - 1 Mock Danish (recipe from here), 1 medium egg fried in butter, 16 oz, caffeine free/sugar free coffee
Lunch - 3 slices of turkey lunch meat (total 2 carbs) with total 2 oz. of whole milk block type Philly cream cheese spread on them, with a half an green onion rolled up in each, 1 garlic dill pickle spear and 1 mozzerella stick, 16 oz. not sweetened sparkling water

3-4 glasses of water
Dinner - 1, 3-4 oz. natural smoked pork chop (no sugar, 0 carbs), 1 1/2 cup salad with romaine lettuce, 2 radishes, 5 snow pea pods, 3 broccoli florets, 1 tablespoon red onion, 4 grape tomatoes, and blue cheese dressing, or 3/4 cup steamed green beans with 1 teaspoon butter. More water

(Typical day) Breakfast - 1-2 scrambled eggs in butter with 1-2 oz cheddar cheese, 3 slices thin bacon (no sugar), or 1 sausage patty, (no sugar, 1 carb), 6-8 oz 0 carb Tang, or Crystal Lite grapefruit drink
Lunch - 1/2 cup whole milk cottage cheese, 3 broccoli florets, 4-4inch celery sticks, 7-8 olives, 3 radishes, 10 slices pepperoni, 16 oz. Crystal Lite grapefruit drink

3-4 glasses water

Dinner - 8 oz. of... ribeye steak grilled, or chicken roasted with spices like curry, salmon, shrimp or trout pan grilled with herbs and sometimes unsweetened coconut milk for a sauce, 1 1/2 cup salad as above, or 3/4 cup steamed broccoli with cheese sauce (I forgot to check the carb count on the cheese sauce!!)

I welcome any infor and comment. Thank You

**amiee2006** · November 15, 2006, 03:57 PM

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I am on week 2 of Induction so I am a total "newb". So caution

I do know the Crystal Light and Tang have aspartame *sp* or other sweetners that can stall weight loss. I ditched Coffee with the carbs aka sugar, flour, etc...

Thats all I know =) but I hope it helped atleast a lil.

Good luck to ya and have a great day!

**MustLose80** · November 15, 2006, 04:01 PM

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You mean, I am not supposed to have the Crystal Lite and the 0 carb Tang???? I thought I read I could....Darn, thanks for telling me

I seriously need to find things I can drink.....

**julirama723** · November 15, 2006, 04:09 PM

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You need to drink more water--you should be drinking AT LEAST 64oz. daily, just plain plain water--none of the flavored stuff counts as your water requirement.

As for the crystal lite and flavored drinks, you must count per serving 1g carbs because they are sweented with splenda or aspartame--even though it says 0 calories and 0 carbs, on nutrition labels, companies are allowed to put 0 if it's less than one whole gram--meaning it could be .99 grams, and they list it as 0. You are only allowed 3 servings of splenda or sweetener, and if you're drinking this stuff, those must count as your sweeteners.

Coffee has carbs--you must either count it with your totals, or give it up.

Milk is not allowed on induction, nor is fruit--so I can't imagine coconut milk is a legal food. Fresh cheeses are also not allowed--so no cottage cheese.

Are you exercising? It's very beneficial to exercise at least 3 times a week--you will see a big improvement with results if ya move your body!

Count veggies and cheese carefully--you are only allowed 3-4 oz of cheese daily, and 3 cups of veggies--3 salad, or 2 salad and one "other."

I'm gonna say it cause nobody else has yet...it's very important to read Dr. Atkin's New Diet Revolution (2002) simply to understand the science of the diet and why it works...rules of each phase are also explained in it, as well as recipes, success stories, etc. It's worth a read...

Good luck, hope this helps you.

**MustLose80** · November 15, 2006, 04:23 PM

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Hi Julirama, thanks for the info on caffeine free/sugar free coffee. I never drank coffee before this, so I can stop. I just need some alternatives. I certainly drink 64 oz a day fo plain water.

I don't have my book with me, so I can't look, but I thought I saw that fresh cheese (like farmer cheese and cottage cheese) is best. I am certainly going to double check my book. I am glad you told me. I KNOW for a fact that coconut milk is allowed, I checked three times.

Even if I count the 1 carb per serving of Tang or Crystal Light, I was still under 20 carbs. The real question is are they allowed? Is diet soda allowed?

Aparently I am not eating enough veggies. I have read the book, but it has too much info to digest and I am a full time student, full time job and single so I have to do ALL of the chores myself. I do not have time to read it everyday as a bible. I copied the allowable foods, but I must have misunderstood the cheese thing. I walk at least 2-4 miles a day around campus and with my job, but unfortunately not all at once to raise my heart rate for 20 minutes or more, though I do raise my heart rate.

I appreciate you bringing these things to my attention and by the way....gorgeous pics!

**higgies** · November 15, 2006, 04:39 PM

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Hi Pam,

- I think the aged cheeses (cheddar, parm, american) are good for induction, not the fresh ones. I think the fresh ones (cottage cheese, farmer's cheese, etc.) are added later in the dairy rung.

- Tang/Crystal Light aren't so good because they use some bad sweeteners like aspartame. Waters is your friend...

- Diet sodas containing aspartame are also not a good idea. Diet Rite, has no caffeine and uses splenda. This is the diet soda of choice here. Just make sure you count it as one of your daily allowances of sweetener.

- Giving up the coffee is a good idea, good thinking! If you must have decaf or coffee, make sure you use splenda as the sweetener and count it & the coffee's carbs.

Good for you with the exercise! Any kind of exercise is going to make you successful. It's a mandatory part of Atkins. It sounds like you're on the right track for that. That's how I started exercising, just walking a couple miles and now I'm running like 4 miles every other day. You'll work up to whatever you feel comfortable and you'll make great progress.

Be patient, not everyone loses weight at the same rate, and weight loss isn't linear. Keep at the plan...it works! I stayed in induction-type foods for over 6 months.

Good luck!

**MustLose80** · November 15, 2006, 04:50 PM

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Hello higgies!
Thank you for the info. I actually read the induction chapter again last night, at about 2:00 am. I don't even remember reading anything about coffee as carbs. Like I said, I have never even used coffee before, I bought it because it was caffeine free and sugar free and I really need an alternate choice of fluid. I drink lots of water and diet rite is my soda of choice, has been for years, but I limit soda because of the phosphoric acid. I am glad to know it is the right choice. Is there any problem with herbal teas?? I mean I guess I could drink cream! LOL kidding....

This is so weird for me because the first time I did Atkins, I lost so fast it was amazing and had never read the book and now know I didn't even do it right. I have a hard time with a month and no weight loss...something is wrong. I am supposing it is the little things I am finding out here.
Thanks to all who help me out

**julirama723** · November 15, 2006, 06:23 PM

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MustLose--
The coffee thing is sort of a dirty trick! You'd expect it to be 0 carbs, right? But since it's a bean, it does have a carbohydrate content. I didn't see anything about it in DANDR either, but I found out on ADBB about the carb count...each "cup" counts as a carb I believe.

Hey, you said you walk around campus...do you work at a college? If so, which one? I'm originally from Michigan, I just moved to Montana about a year ago...I'm a CMU grad!

**MustLose80** · November 16, 2006, 05:10 PM

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Hey Julirama,!
I am now at Ferris State University in Big Rapids. For the previous 3 years I have attended MMCC and CMU. I am in the Nuclear Med Program and the Healthcare Systems Admin Program. I only have one class to go to finish an Architechtual degree, but that is for my own fun and use. I wanted to be able to leagally draw up my own blueprints for my log home. I plan on buying 100 acres of land either south of Cheboygan or in the UP. My plan is to work 2 years in San Francisco after school, then back here to Munson in Traverse City. I moved here from San Francisco and I can make more than double there than I can here. I could pay off all of my school loans if I work there two years and pay cash for my land and home. Then I can come back here where I want to be. Since you went to CMU does that mean you are a teacher??

**imgonnagethin** · November 17, 2006, 02:43 AM

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Hi Pamela

I would re-iterate some of the above:

Water, water, water!!! Drink as much as you can - with everyday that passes I find I drink more!

Loose the soda's and the coffee - you need your body to detox completely during induction!

In strict induction coconut milk is not allowed - you can add it in on the nut rung! If you move onto extended induction, you can use a small amount there too as part of your nut allowance!

Appart from that your menu looks fine. Are you logging things into Fitday? I find that really helps me.

Kay

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