Starting Induction Tomorrow after OWL!!

[iyamamaschke]

Re: Starting Induction Tomorrow after OWL!!

I am listening to my Body I know I am not in ketosis so I will go back drop the carbs move back up. If I feel Fab after say 5 days I ahve HYPO takes me that long to get into Ketosis LOL. Then I will go back up the rung KO.

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions I am doing this for me Nobody ELESE and I need to do what's right by my body. When I feel I can handle the rungs I will go back up I ahve been there and I ahve not skipped out I have learned so much I can't tell you in a few short minutes. SO there you have it.

Sarah

[cleochatra]

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2big and megs, you guys are right. I thought sarah had fallen off the wahon.

Sarah, I hope you listen to them, because they're right! Atkins is not a crash diet. It's a way of life. You really need to listen to the advice you've been given and keep fighting through the rungs, the possible food intolerances and the stalls. You'll do it!

[iyamamaschke]

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Thanks Cleo Nope didn't fall off I am still trucking along I'll go on induction well induction levels till I feel I ahve ahold of myself and Go back to where I was.

Sarah

[cleochatra]

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Well, good luck with that, but I still think that what 2big and megs said merits some more thought. Atkins isn't crash dieting, and when it ain't broke, don't fix it. You're plateauing. It happens to everyone...even supergirls...

[iyamamaschke]

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I'm not doing this cause I am plateauing which happens to em all the time LOL. I am doing this to get back in Ketosis and get my cravings under control. Heck. No worries about Crash Dieting I think that I know for myslef this is a way OF life not a crash diet. I ahve been folowing this for 1 year and so I ahve learned a lot about my Body in this time. I don't consider this a way to crash just a way of control that's it. I want to do this as a control issue on my belaf Please don't say I am crash dieting this WOE was NEVER about that this time. Sure in that Past it was but, Not this time I ahve made this MY life and so I need to get my LIFE back in order I hope you understand that. I am not abandoning the rungs at all just getting me back to where I should be so I don't go off the deep end then I am gone you don't see me I cheat I fall off I gain it all back. For me I feel out of control and I ahve to feel in control if that makes any sence at all so in going on induction I feel in control and get back to feeling good then back to where I was on the rungs. This has never been a quick fix for me I wouldn't be exercisingf eating right and all the things I do if it was a quick fix. I didn't lose all this weight just sitting on my But I lost it working my Atkins and Exercising learning about my body and right now my Body is telling me it's gunna go loco if I don't do something so I am I am listening to the inner cues that I didn't listen to on all those failed attampts I ahve had in the past. I am gaining control again that's impotant for anyone I belive. It's not forever it's only a few days. SO I don't feel guilty about refaining control of my body and my life. I feel empowered and strong that I am able to do this and not fall off. I am strong and I am gunna make it Watch me.

Sarah

[2big4mysize]

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A couple of things you are posting confuse me You posted you were doing a 14 day induction in your initial post. Have you seen the light and will now be doing only a few days to get your ketosis back?

If you are doing OWL as I posted in the post you quoted then you never exceeded your CCLL once you knew what it was and you posted yours was 55.if your CCLL is 55 and you said were eating 70 then something is wrong.
I wish I knew what your definition of cheating is cause for me mine is eating one carb over where I'm supposed to be for my Atkins and it keeps me in very close check, but everybody defines their own cheating on Atkins.

Being hypo should not effect how fast you get back to ketosis as you are properly medicated right now. what will effect it is how much stored glycogen you have been storing while you were eating above your CCLL. the carbs you eat low carbing below your CCLL are gone very very fast and then your body will call out those reserves once they are gone and the stored water with them then you will be burning your dietary fats and stored fats again as your primary fueling.

DOn't foeget cause you are cutting back your exercise this week backing off your runningfor a long one this weekendyou also willhave a lower CCLL as your active life style will decline. Mine went from 110 to 45 when i had to stop going to the gym for weight lifting days so re evaluate your CCLL too.

Remember induction eating isn't the punishment for cheating. it is a powerful tool Dr Atkins taught us to use to regain ketosis fast so we regain control of our appetite and our cravings when we have exceeded our body's capacity for carbs. And when Dr Atkins says return to induction he also says for a few days not a full 14 days.

[cleochatra]

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If you can gain control, do it. I know you can. Stop the cravings by cutting back your carbs by 5 or 10, rather than starting over again. I know you can do it. So why don't you?

C'mon! I dare you! Be an example to OWLers out there. My last word on this.

Hu-ah!

(Sorry, getting into boot camp mode)

[iyamamaschke]

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Ok, so I had a change of Hert yes I am going to go on inductio Probably 5 days to get me in check ALl right.

I don't consider eating an apple when I was exercising 3 hours cheating if that's the case then I ahve been a big ol cheater. I consider cheating to be eating stuff that I know is a trigger food goiing totally off plan eating chocolate crap I know I shouldn't have for everyone cheating is different.

On the days I do not exercise my CCL is 55 I usually am under that as it shows form me having been losing still. But on my exercsie days especially my long runs I do up my CCL. I didn't have keto sticks so really I went by how I felt and I felt like I ahd no cravings. I guess I need to buy me some ketostics but they are like 15 bucks so I go by how I am feeling.

I know I have gone over or ate a trigger food by how my body is reacting to that particular food. Eating something I am sensitive to automatically makes my throat hurt as well it aslo gives me horrendous cravings for stuff I shouldn't have.

YA, I ahve gone over my CCL only on high exercise days I don't have ketostick so I have No idea if I was in ketosis or not. I found my CCL back before I started my Marathon training so I can imagine it's a lot higher now as I ahve added a lot of exercise.

Man I am confusing myself. I am just gunna go and crawl on my treadmill. K

This stuff screws with me you ahve to have a medical degree I swear to understand it I am still learing and so I am here If I didn't want imput I never would ahve posted.

Sarah

[iyamamaschke]

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MAybe I am saying this Wrong I'm not starting over I don't know what I am doing I am sooo confused. I thought dropping my carbs back would be like induction GOOD LORD I am a mess I don't know what I am doign I am lost LOL. That was the plan stan drop the carbs back get back on track I wanted to drop them for 14 days SHEESH maybe it's not induction I don't know what the **** would you call it modified 20 crab OWL. I ahve no idea. SO that's what I was getting at there are so many sides to this WOE I am sooo confused. I just wanna get control. Oh, and I am doing it right now girl. I ahd 3 eggs, with a cup of salad for Breakfast so I am happy right now.

Any how I am not strting over you can forget that I just wanna get myself together then Go back up to where I was Slowly I don't know I think I better just quit responding cause I am screwing myself up I know what I wanna do but, it's comming out all messed up and stuff I was never one to be good with words LOL.

OK so I'm just gunna quit replying cause I am sure you are alla s confused as I am

Sarah

[rybread]

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it is a powerful tool Dr Atkins taught us to use to regain ketosis fast so we regain control of our appetite and our cravings when we have exceeded our body's capacity for carbs.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but from what I've read of Sarah's posts here, this is exactly what she wants to do -- get back into ketosis (and at 70 net carbs, she wouldn't be in it anymore), and get her cravings under control. I didn't read anything about using it as a punishment for cheating, and I also didn't read anything about using to to crash diet down a few lbs.

Look:

feel like I am going to go out of control and if what I need is to go on induction and get things going again. That's what I'm going to do. I have cravings from **** right now so I belive I am not in Ketosis. I was at my CCL but, I have let everything creep and my cravings are out of control.

I am doing this so I don't fall off and so I don't lose it and lose all that I ahve gained I need to do this for me. To get in control Before I DO CHEAT.

And here she says what she wants to get out of this, which is what everyone seems to be telling her what to do...

For me I feel out of control and I ahve to feel in control if that makes any sence at all so in going on induction I feel in control and get back to feeling good then back to where I was on the rungs.

Anyway, I just felt like some of us weren't really understanding what Sarah was saying, so I just wanted to point these things out.

[iyamamaschke]

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THANK YOU THANK YOU!! Rybread you took the words right out of my Mouth LOL.

I thank you for posting this for me

HUGS!!!!

Sarah

[not2late]

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but from what I've read of Sarah's posts here, this is exactly what she wants to do -- get back into ketosis (and at 70 net carbs, she wouldn't be in it anymore), and get her cravings under control. I didn't read anything about using it as a punishment for cheating, and I also didn't read anything about using to to crash diet down a few lbs.

She might still be in ketosis. She might not. But she has said that she's been eating over her 55 net carb CCLL. Since she hasn't been monitoring if her CCLL changes (increases) when she is marathon training, she won't know if she has been eating within her OWL limits or not.

Cravings are a sign of blood sugar instability---not a sign of being out of ketosis. They are related to your state of ketosis, indirectly. When you are following a low carb diet, you stabilize your carb intake, thereby stabilizing your insulin response. Cravings can be due to a number of things, but it's mechanism is similar to that of hunger. Your body senses a blood sugar drop, which leads to a feeling of "needing" to eat something. You can have cravings but still be in ketosis---I know this from personal experience because cantaloupe causes me to have very strong cravings and I'm in ketosis during this.

But let's say her CCLL has remained the same at 55 net carbs. The CCLL is the maximum level of carbs your body can tolerate while losing weight. Eating over that amount will cause weight loss stalls and the return of the blood sugar stability problems Dr. Atkins discusses in Chapter 13. They can be due to the excessive carbs she is eating and/or they can be due to individual foods she is eating.

In either case, you back off the carbs or drop the food from your diet. Preferrably you do one or the other because you need to know what is causing your difficulties. If you drop carbs and the presumably offending foods at the same time, you won't know if it was the carb level or the food.

I would like to add, it may seem like we're jumping on Sarah. And we are in a way because we take this issue VERY seriously. Dr. Atkins devoted a section to the "Uses and Abuses of Induction" in the book. He believed that retreating back to Induction for every minor infraction set up a pattern of yo-yo dieting, which he believed can lead to metabolic resistance to weight loss among his dieters.

As for the definitions of Induction, Extended Induction, etc. let's clear that up right now because I see ALOT of confusion about them.

"Extended Induction" means you are simply extending the Induction phase beyond the first 14 days of the diet. You are still following the Induction Rules and eating only the foods on the Induction Acceptable Foods list. I see a number of people take this to mean you can eat whatever the heck you want as long as you stay within the Induction level carbs. Nope, it doesn't mean that here on ADBB.

"Modified OWL" means you are remaining below 20 net carbs but you are incorporating OWL foods and following OWL rules. This is legal because back in the day Dr. Atkins was alive and you called the Atkins Center Hotline, Dr. Atkins' nurses advised that you could do something like that.

"OWL" means you are increasing carbs and adding OWL foods. Carb increases during OWL are in 5 net carb increments and done in a step-wise manner outlined in the book.

"Pre-Maintenance" is the final weight loss phase of the Atkins Nutritional Approach. Carb increases are in 10 net carb increments and done in a step-wise manner similar to OWL.

The ADBB terminology is based on Induction Rules 3-5. According to the Rules, if you eat more than 20 net carbs, you aren't doing Induction; if you eat fruit, bread, pasta, grains, starchy veggies, dairy other than cheese/cream/butter, you aren't doing Induction; if you eat anything not on the Acceptable Foods list, you aren't doing Induction.

3. Eat no more than 20 grams a day of carbohydrate, most of which must come in the form of salad greens and other vegetables. You can eat approximately three loosely packed cups of salad, or two cups of salad plus one cup of other vegetables (see Acceptable Foods).

4. Eat absolutely no fruit, bread, pasta, grains, starchy vegetables or dairy products other than cheese, cream or butter. Do not eat nuts or seeds in the first two weeks. Foods that combine protein and carbohydrates, such as chickpeas, kidney beans and other legumes, are not permitted at this time.

5. Eat nothing that isn't on the Acceptable Foods list. And that means absolutely nothing. Your "just this one taste won't hurt" rationalization is the kiss of failure during this phase of Atkins.

The terminology is a bit tedious, but it's necessary in order to avoid confusion. In the past, "extended Induction" meant anything from extending the Induction phase to "modified OWL" to your own low carb program. The lack of standard definitions caused a great deal of confusion and strife on the ADBB boards.

[iyamamaschke]

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OK Now that's that Clear I am going on Modified OWL that's what I am doing. K. I didn't know what it was called just knew I was gunna do 20 grams and thought that was Induction so It's a stupid mistake on my part.

Not2Late you are a great source of information I thank you for you input now I got it straight off to Modified OWL I go for a while then back up the ladder. I need to get Ketostics though so I know where I am at for sure. I will pick them up today I found a store that has them for 8 dollars while I was out didn't have 8 bucks so I will cut them in half make doubles and tell ya where I am at and if I am in Ketosis right now.

Sraah

[2big4mysize]

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Sarah
why do you keep altering your atkins by adding more carbs on high exercise days? You find your CCLL and that is your level on days you don't exercise as much you have less if you are having issues but you don't carb up as in carb load on exercise days.

I'm curious about your thinking. Your running coaches have messed with your entire exercise program stopping your heavy weight training and now even stopping your daily runs because now you need to do longer runs less often. This has to be effecting your exercise addiction and making you uncorfable and wanting to just go abck to your BFL training program cause boy did that get you results. yet you don't. you gripe about the jonesing for the running this week but you haven't busted out and said the heckwitrh my current running program i'm going back to how I felt fine exercising. Why are you willing to allow those trainers to change you from what feels comfortable to what they know youy need to do to be a successful marathon?

Think about that cause your Atkins changes as you train for your WOE marathon of life. you have moved out of the induction eating 5K and are in OWL some serios training for the marathon of life WOE. you have to change from what you enjoyed and felt in total control doing and move forward to the next step, finding your CCLL and eating consistantly at your CCLL as you test the foods on the rungs and see if any food gives you those out of control feelings and discover if it is the food the food group or the more carbs making you feel like that. If you want to finish the WOE marathon then you need to keep following Dr Atkins Advice and train your body and mind to eat what and how he has directed as your training. If you are willing to do it for a simple marathon run why not for a full lifetime of Atkins WOE? you need to think and answer that for yourself. then decide if you are going to finish the Atkins marathon WOE or just be a 5Ker?


Ryebr4ead if you read the whole topic from her inital post she said she was going back to do a 14 day induction if you not in my reply about it being a tool Dr Atkins called it induction and qualifies it in every part of the book where he tells us to return to only do it for a few days not a full 14 day do over.
jumping abck to a 14 day do over and then back to OWL then back to 14 day induction is abusing the program

[rybread]

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Ryebr4ead if you read the whole topic from her inital post she said she was going back to do a 14 day induction if you not in my reply about it being a tool Dr Atkins called it induction and qualifies it in every part of the book where he tells us to return to only do it for a few days not a full 14 day do over.
jumping abck to a 14 day do over and then back to OWL then back to 14 day induction is abusing the program

I realize she said that in her first post, but as you know, she wrote numerous posts after that where she was able to clarify her thoughts and come to a conclusion as to what she was going to carry through on. And what I quoted was what I understood to be her final decision.