New here with a quick question

[diwitch]

Hello,

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but here goes....

My hubbie is on Atkins (and doing pretty good ). I have been experimenting with recipies for him (I am on the Fat Flush Diet), have found several that look promising but, many of them call for Atkins Bake Mixes. My normal health food store used to carry several of them, but they tell me these mixes are no longer being produced. If this is true (and as much as I spend there for my diet ), I can't imagine her lying about it, has anyone come up with a substitute. Perhaps a mix of whey protien and almond flour? Or soy flour? I never really looked at the indgredients when they were available, so I have no idea where to start.

Thanks,

Di

[not2late]

Re: New here with a quick question

Hello,

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but here goes....

My hubbie is on Atkins (and doing pretty good ). I have been experimenting with recipies for him (I am on the Fat Flush Diet), have found several that look promising but, many of them call for Atkins Bake Mixes. My normal health food store used to carry several of them, but they tell me these mixes are no longer being produced. If this is true (and as much as I spend there for my diet ), I can't imagine her lying about it, has anyone come up with a substitute. Perhaps a mix of whey protien and almond flour? Or soy flour? I never really looked at the indgredients when they were available, so I have no idea where to start.

Thanks,

Di

Hi and welcome.

In order to accurately answer your question, we need to know in which phase of Atkins is your husband. See, what can and can't be eaten really depends if your husband is on the Induction Phase, On-Going Weight Loss phase (and what part of the Carbohydrate Ladder he is on), Pre-Maintenance Phase or Maintenance Phase.

[diwitch]

Re: New here with a quick question

Well, they did not have a specific ladder when I did Atkins (years and years ago , more years than I care to count ) but he is up to about 30 carbs a day and still losing. I track them for him, he takes his lunch (which I make) to work and eats dinner and breakfast here.

Hope that helps & thank you,

Di

[cleochatra]

Re: New here with a quick question

That sounds like the same thing I followed in the 80's. Adding the 3-5 carbs every week or so, and not eating specific food groups? If he's in the 30's carbwise that's probably the OWL rungs. How close is he to goal? That sets pre-maintenance apart from general atkins dieting and about what rung he's be on.

[stephbob]

Re: New here with a quick question

Well, I dont know what country you live in, but the US and the UK I know are still producing Atkins Bake Mix. But not many stores stock it anymore, since it's not THAT popular. But its still made! I bought a drum a few weeks ago

[Momtofour]

Re: New here with a quick question

I personally haven't used any of it. I just haven't found the need for it. I try not to get used to something that could be discontinued. Good luck with your search.

[Sheshy]

Re: New here with a quick question

Hi diwitch,

This is a recipe I have (I haven't tried it yet though).

Almond Whey Bake Mix

1 1/2 cups ground almonds
3/4 cup natural whey protein powder
1/2 cup unbleached spelt flour
1 T vital wheat gluten

Blend all and keep in an airtight container at room temp.

[2big4mysize]

Re: New here with a quick question

So what you are telling us is he is doing your version of Atkins adn you hope he has better long term success on it then you did right? Do you both a favor and spend the $7 and buy DR ATKINS NEW DIET REVOLUTION 2002 edition and learn how to do Atkins for long term success.


there are many recipes in the ADBB data base for Atkins bake mix subs but as Megs said you need to know what level of Atkins and what rung since you don't want foods with a higher GI in the baked goods then the person has already acheived. it is no fun to get a new food for your atkins that you like bit doesn't like your craving controls and appetite suppression.


Happy low carbing.

[diwitch]

Re: New here with a quick question

Umm, actually I had great success with Atkins, both short and long term. For health reasons, I switched to Fat Flushing but he, lol, would never make it thru a day of that. Way to strict for him. I just never got the new book, because what I was doing worked for me, and my motto is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." But I will get the new book from the library and read it.

He started at 260, is 242 now and wants to get down to 230 ish. He's doing great, no real cravings (well pizza, but I solved that one). I was just trying to try some new things to keep him from getting bored.

Thanks,

Di

[Momof3greatgirls]

Re: New here with a quick question

I have the 2002 edition of the book, and I am currently reading the original. It is very interesting. The original I feel has many more facts and in depth explinations why things are the way they are. Now I am only on chapter 8 but inthe older version the first week was zero carbs..then the second and ezch after you added 3-5 per week to get to your CCL, then drop back 5 to start and continue losing. No rungs per say, ect...but it is very interesting to read.

Amy

[cleochatra]

Re: New here with a quick question

I agree, Amy. I have most of the different versions of Atkins, because they all have something the other editions don't have. The only problem with the older editions is their basis on older information, which was then updated with each edition as Dr Atkins was further educated regarding studies, etc. But I definitely still look to older versions for information, inspiration, recipes, etc. In the end, ADBB advocates the 2002 version, which can be found at amazon.com used for as little as one penny... but other versions are good for comparison and extra information.

[Momof3greatgirls]

Re: New here with a quick question

Cleo,
I agree, and I have the 2002 version. I just like that you can get some new useful info fromthe other books too. But definatley follow the diet in the 2002 version

Amy

[not2late]

Re: New here with a quick question

The older versions are nice to read because there are some bits of info that Dr. A leaves out of the newer one, like his own personal struggle with obesity and weight loss (following his own diet!) But in the newer books, he's also included stuff like limiting artificial sweetener, particularly aspartame, and excluding caffeine, which help to improve the effectiveness of the diet.

Both the 1972 and 1992 versions of the diet did have dieters eat carbs in the form of salad vegetables.

THE FIRST LIFE-CHANGING WEEK. Eat nothings that’s not on the list.

THE DIET REVOLUTION RULES

1. Don’t count calories.

2. Eat as much of the allowed foods as you need to avoid hunger.

3. Don’t eat when you’re not hungry.

4. Don’t feel you must finish everything on your plate just because it’s there.

5. Drink as much water of calorie-free beverages as thirst requires. Don’t restrict fluids…but it is not necessary to force them either.

6. Frequent small meals are preferable.

7. If weakness results from rapid weight loss, you may need salt.

8. Every day take a high-strength multivitamin pill.

9. Read the labels on "low-calorie" drinks, syrups, desserts. Only those with no carbohydrate content are allowed.

MEAT

Steaks, corned beef, lamb chops, tongue, hamburgers. Any kind of meat in any quantity—except meat with fillers such as sausage, hot dogs, meatballs, most packaged "cold cuts".

FOWL

Duckling, turkey, chicken, Anything with wings. No stuffing

FISH

All fish, including salmon, tuna; any kind of seafood, including oil-packed and smoked, except oytsers, clams, mussels, scallops, and pickled fish

EGGS

Boiled, frieds, scrambled, poached, omelet—any style and with no limitations

DESSERTS

Gelatin with artificial sweeteners (e.g. D-Zerta)

CONDIMENTS

Salt, pepper, mustard, horseradish, vinegar, vanilla and other extracts; artificial sweeteners; any dry powdered spice that contains no sugar.

DRINKS

Water, mineral water, Vichy, club soda, beef or chicken broth, boullion; sugar-free diet soda; coffee*, tea, decaffeinated coffee

*Special note on the caffeine and Diet Cola. Because most heavy people have some hypoglycemia, coffee, which contains caffeine, should be limited to six servings a day (1 cup). If you know you have low blood sugar, better to limit it to three . As of the date of publication, Diet Rite Cola and Diet Pepsi contina not only caffeine but a significant amount of carbohydrate, so fair warning, read the labels even on diet drinks carefully and control your intake accordingly.

SALADS

Two small green salads a day (each less than one cupful, loosely packed) made only of leafy greens, celery, or cucumbers and radishes. Dressings with vinegar, oil,salt, dry spices, herbs, grated cheese, or anchovies. Or else a sour pickle in place of a salad. Plus….olives.

FATS (BUTTER AND MAYONNAISE)

Butter, margarine, oils, shortening, lard, mayonnaise. (Fats have no carbohydrates.)
JUICE

Juice of one lemon or lime.

CHEESE

Four ounces a day of any hard, aged cheese. No cream cheese or cheese spreads.

HEAVY CREAM

Four teaspoons a day. (Cream has less carbohydrate than milk—so don’t use milk).

THE DIET REVOLUTION VEGETABLES (NOT FOR LEVEL ONE)

Asparagus, avocado, bamboo shoots, bean sprouts, beet greens, broccoli, brussels sprouts cabbage, cauliflower, chard, chinese cabbage, eggplant, kale, kohlrabi, mushrooms, okra, onions, peppers, pumpkin, rhubarb, sauerkraut, snow pea pods, spinach, string beans, summer squash, tomatoes, turnips, water chestnuts, wax beans, zucchini squash.

THE DIET REVOLUTION SALAD MATERIAL

Celery, chicory, chinese cabbage, chives, endive, escarole, fennel, lettuce, olives (green or black), onions, pickles (sour or dill), parsley, peppers, radishes, scallions, watercress.

THE DIET REVOLUTION DRINKS

A few of many possibilities, A sugarless lemonade or limeade made with spring water makes a nice aperitif. Perrier and Saratoga Geyser are delicious sparkling waters. OK diet sodas (to mention a few): No_Cal, Cott, Hoffman, Shasta, Diet Vernors, Fresca, and Tab.

THE DIET REVOLUTION SUBSTITUTES.

Heavy cream diluted with water when milk is called for in cooking…Bean sprouts for rice…Use listed vegetables for bread stuffing …Soya powder (full-fat) for flour (half the amount called for in the recipe).

THE DIET REVOLUTION SANDWICHES

Because bread is a no-no, you dream up finger food with ingenuity. Chopped raw onion in smoked salmon. Sour cream and caviar between two cucumber rounds. A stick of Cheddar in a lettuce leaf. Lobster mayonnaise cuddled in a whole cucumber, sliced lengthwise in two. Use endive instead of crackers to scoop up dips.

THE DIET REVOLUTION SALAD GARNISHES

Crumbled crisp bacon, fried pork rinds (instead of croutons), grated cheese, minced hard-boiled egg yolk, minced sauteed mushrooms, sour cream

THE DIET REVOLUTION APPETIZERS OR SNACKS.

Aspics (unsweetened or artificially sweetened), Baken-ets with cheese, Cheese (any hard type in cubes), chicken drumsticks, chicken wings broiled, devilled eggs, meatballs (no filler), pate, smoked salmon, sardines, cocktail type sausages, shrimps with mayonnaise dip, steak tartare

THE DIET REVOLUTION NO-NO’S

(This is not a complete list, by any means). For you they’re poison—don’t forget it.

Bananas, beans (except green or wax), bread, cake, candy, cashews, chewing gum, cookies, corn, cornstarch, crackers, dates, figs, flour, dried fruit, honey, ice cream, jam, catsup, macaroni, milk, pancakes, peas, sweet pickles, white potatoes, sweet potatoes, raisins, sweet relish, rice, spaghetti, sugar, syrup, yams, sweetened yogurt.

NO "MISTAKES". Sometimes, a single stick of chewing gum or putting milk in your coffee could put you right back to Level One—by upsetting the new chemical balance in your body. Yes, even that much carbohydrate over your tolerance level can turn off your fat-mobilizing hormone. Then you’ll need at least two no-carbohydrate days to get it circulating again so that you’re unhungry, feeling high, and burning off fat again.

---Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution 1972

"Anything with wings" to describe what kind of fowl can be eaten has to be one of the funniest lines in that book.