Hey all! Soy Sauce?

[MotherOfGizmo]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

hey you type faster then me Cleo PMed me about the soy sauce since i'm allergic to soy i don't usually read soy posts unless somebody PMs me about it. I came and answered the topic after answering the post

Actually since it has wheat in it it should be rung 9

you need to find out how they made it MOG

the sugar added soy should have a higher sugar number in the nutritional label

sort of like Dr Atkins says you can not have basalmic vinegar but you can have other vinegars.

OK, I'll believe you.

But that doesn't explain how you can have apple cider vinegar but no apples, or rice vinegar but no rice...we tell folks they can have salad dressing with 2 carbs of sugar and that's ok, or sausages with 1 carb of sugar ...funny how some things in tiny amounts are acceptable even when they're not on the list and others' aren't.

[cleochatra]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

Aren't you glad you asked, now, MamaGlass? We've all had an education today.

[Rubysugar]

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Glad I asked? No... the ignorant me still got to use it. I am a Condiment queen.

I had only used it in very slight moderation and in place of salt, but back to the fridge it goes for atleast a while, I guess. I had hopes since it listed no sugar and I had been counting the one carb. But okay, now I know. That is sad about the balsalmic vinegar as well. I am on my 3rd day and on the verge of going outside to chew on some pine cones for something crunchy... guess I will be making some fried cheese chips later.

Thanks to all for so much input. If you need me, I will be pacing by the door, waiting for my Book to arrive.

[2big4mysize]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

vinegar is like the yogurt issues does all the lactose in the milk get used up leaving no other sugar in it's waste which we know doesn't happy in actual yogurt, so does all the water soluble carbs in the apple juice get broken down to the point Dr Atkins says it is safe for use as in his statements about basalmic vinegar being not good but other vinegars being good and his statement that in DANDR about the 2 carbs in the salad dressing being acceptable.

you are confusing sugar label placement MOG Dr Atkins said sugar in the ingredients list was a no no. sugar in the Food Label is there to tell (originally diabetics ) how many of the carbohydrates in the product are in the form of simple sugars. they can be added or natural. If veggies came with food labels we'd see a lot of folk asking about the sugar in them too. A One gram of sugar in the carbs of a sausage could be naturally from the herbs,spices and veggies like onions and garlic so if it didn't have corn syrup or other sugars or starches in the ingredients lists it would be an acceptable food for induction.

[2big4mysize]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

hey you can have jicama celery cucmbers radishes turnip chips are good too for crunch besides fried cheese or pepperoni chips.

[MotherOfGizmo]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

I emailed Atkins and this was their response, although I know you will all argue til the cows come home that it doesnt' count because Dr. A himself didn't answer this is what they said

Thank you for your inquiry.

Soy sauce so long as it has less than 2 carbs per tablespoon is allowed while on Induction, similar to salad dressings.

The answers to any additional questions can be found on our web site, www.atkins.com. Please check the FAQ section as well as the "How to do Atkins" section of the site. We also recommend you visit University.atkins.com for specific answers to your questions by Atkins experts.

[2big4mysize]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

hey MOG can you find the FAQ on their site?

[2big4mysize]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

Maybe 2big will elaborate, but I did ask her whether or not soy sauce was on rung 5 and received an answer which led me to believe that the ingredients do not change, even if there is processing. Soy is soy is soy, fermented or not.

Someone else might have a different idea, but I still would stand by rung 5 as being the safest bet for anyone wishing to use soy sauce.

JMO

FYI CLEO

Soy is soy is soy

not when it is tofu or soy protein isolate jut as milk isn't milk when it is cheese or whey protein isolate

you ask me

but because it's fermented, does that change anything?

and I replied

fermenting stuff doesn't change the actual ingredients. It can effect the carb count from the raw to the finished procuct.

even the reply you got from ANA MOG says you have to check the carb count (and it should have said check your ingredients list too)

[Zarabelle]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

we tell folks they can have salad dressing with 2 carbs of sugar and that's ok, or sausages with 1 carb of sugar

Is this right MOG - if so, you have just made my day as I will occassionally be able to have salad cream YIPEEE

[cleochatra]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

Thanks 2big! I am not a soy person, so I appreciate that knowledge!

[MotherOfGizmo]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

Is this right MOG - if so, you have just made my day as I will occassionally be able to have salad cream YIPEEE

That is what the Atkins experts at ANA said and that is the usual advice you get from everyone here as well.

[MotherOfGizmo]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

2big, I don't know what "faq" you want but here is a link to acceptable foods and a direct quote from that section of the site that says the same thing that they told me in their email response, also a link to the acceptable foods

http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkin...ceptable-foods

For salad dressing, use oil and vinegar or lemon juice and herbs and spices. Prepared salad dressings without added sugar and no more than two carbs per tablespoon serving are also fine.

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Soy is soy is soy
not when it is tofu or soy protein isolate jut as milk isn't milk when it is cheese or whey protein isolate

OK, now that is very contradictory, you say that soy is an ingredient in soy sauce so its not acceptable, soy is also an ingredient in tofu which by your definition would make it unacceptable but now you're saying it is acceptable as an ingredient as long as its in tofu but not in soy That really makes absolutely no sense at all.

[2big4mysize]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

MOG the salad dressing quote is direct from DANDR I have no issues with that.
I was reffering to your email where the lady told you you could use their FAQ (Frequently asked questions). I have not been able to find that on the new ANA site.
ANA is using thier logic that you are going to use an insignificant amount of the soy sauce like the nuts in the zuchinni muffin induction acceptable recipe and extrapolating on Dr Atkins salad dressing statement. If you want to Accept ANA less then 2 carbs per tablespon no added sugar is acceptabel for induction ruling then white milk would be an acceptable food too.

Soy beans are a mixed protein fat andcarb food. in the processing of making tofu and soy protein isolate the carbohydrate part of the bean is processed out.

If in the making of the soy sause the soy and the wheat carbohydrate parts were removed and not just broken down into other sugars (like the lactose in yogurt making which ANA still says isn't for induction) then soy sauce would be acceptable like alcohol is made with a grain mash but in the final fementing and distilling processing the mash carbs are removed. The process for making soy sauce dosen't say it is distilled just filtered. it is like wine making the mash is grapes and the fermented mix is filtered and added to the bottles but it has water soluble carbs still and according to the soy manufacturing site I checked some soy sauce makers even add back sugars to balance the flavors which is why i said you need to know how your soy sauce is made.

OK, now that is very contradictory, you say that soy is an ingredient in soy sauce so its not acceptable,

I don't see I said that anywhere can you quote it for me?

[not2late]

Re: Hey all! Soy Sauce?

I checked some soy sauce makers even add back sugars to balance the flavors which is why i said you need to know how your soy sauce is made.

This is the reason why Balsamic Vinegar is a no-no during Induction. Manufacturers add sugar either in the form of grape juice or some other fruit juice to the balsamic vinegar in order to get the acidity "right". The real balsamic vinegar can cost hundreds of dollars because it takes years to make. So the stuff in the grocery stores are knock-offs. The imported balsamic vinegar is just as bad because due to Italian law, they don't have to list anything on the label other than "balsamic vinegar".

[Elizellen]

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Is this right MOG - if so, you have just made my day as I will occassionally be able to have salad cream YIPEEE

Not wanting to burst your bubble, Zara, but remember UK salad cream is not the same necessarily as USA salad dressing!!

You do need to check the actual ingredients of yours as most 'salad cream' in UK does have ADDED sugar, not just the natural sugars from other ingredients.

If you are not sure why not post here the info from the label so the experts can take a look and help you decide?