The Great Debate: Calories in Calories Out

[Labarum]

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So Betty, what do you think the fat/protein/carb ratio should be in the later stages of Atkins? At the start we are advised 65/30/5, but I don't think that's in DANDR.

[2big4mysize]

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if you plug the menues in the books into fitday you will discover that as our carbs come up our fats go down to about 55% by premantenance and around 50% for maintneance. Dr Atkins says our proteins should stay the same through out. How high your carbs come up and how low your fats get will depend on your metabolism. there are some Atkineers who can't lose on less the 70% even in late OWL stages and can't eat more then 25g of carbs. others can lose on 55% fats and over 100 g of carbs

[yemenitegreen]

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I just read this article:

http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/2006/01/jama-low-fat-diets-no-better-than-high.html

So in the end it is not (only) the calories, but mainly the nutritional quality of the foods we eat which counts .

yemenitegreen

[matawguro]

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* looks up handy-dandy link-index *

Do Calories Really Count?

I just read this article:

http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot....than-high.html

Oooh. Another link to add. Thanks.

[LC_Dave]

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Bloody ****!

I used Fitday for the first time ever. Check me out:

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=LC%5FDave

Today I consumed 4186 calories, but burned 5362 calories. So that must be having an impact on my weight loss!

Now I'm hooked on this fit day thingy!

[sadie147]

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If you are having issues stalling or with slow weightloss, I would cut back on the nuts, i think there may be a limit of 1oz or 2 maybe? (could someone confirm this). Nuts are good for you but pack alot of calories, as does cheese, which would be why it's limited.


Would this be an average day for you? If so you should be adding in your 3 cups of veggies.

[Labarum]

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Bloody ****!

I used Fitday for the first time ever. Check me out:

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...wner=LC%5FDave

Today I consumed 4186 calories, but burned 5362 calories. So that must be having an impact on my weight loss!

Now I'm hooked on this fit day thingy!

8 oz Maca Nuts - that accounts for most of my daily calorific intake, and I think I am being naughty if I have 1oz in a day. Did you need the Atkins Decadence bar? If I want chocolate I have a single square of Lindt Excellence chocolate. The taste is so strong you can make it last 20 nibbles. Far nicer than that Atkins Junk bar and less costly in cash, carbs and calories.

As for the real food on your list, you are in a different part of the game to me - so I will let others comment.

Sorry Dave, but you did ask.

Look at my fitday for today and yesterday.

[not2late]

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As someone who's in the OWL phase, I can say that I eat less than I did pre-Atkins simply because I'm a much smaller person and I don't need as much food to satisfy my appetite and meet my energy needs.

I don't "count calories" because I took Dr. Atkins advise and re-learned listening to my body. So some days I have a bigger appetite than other days. For example, yesterday's breakfast, I had a cheese omelette made with 2 eggs and 1 ounce of cheese and 5 net carbs of oatmeal, lunch was chicken and creammed spinach, dinner was a pork chop, green beans, a bowl of mushroom soup, with apple slices and sharp cheddar cheese for dessert. This morning, I had 2 ounces of mozzarella cheese and I was "full". Lunch will probably be tuna and mayo with some salad veggies I brought and dinner will be chicken soup, maybe with some fruit and cheese for dessert. Who knows how my appetite will be tomorrow.

The only thing I count are my carbs, but I do keep track of the amount of food (ie: ounces, cups, teaspoons) and the types of food I eat. Otherwise, I don't consciously count my fat, calories, protein, etc. because from trial and error, I know that as long as I eat combinations of fat, protein and carbs with my meals, I'll be okay.

[Elizellen]

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8 ounces of macadamia nuts, Dave????

I also noticed the Decadence bar (tut-tut, shakes head frowningly)
Both those added up to over 50 carbs inc fibre.

What stage of Atkins are you on, DAve,?

Edited to add
I hadnt noticed Brian's response when I posted hence the repetitive comment

[2big4mysize]

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Dave do you have DR ATKINS NEW DIET REVOLUTION 2002 EDITION? you are missing the 3 cups of veggies every inductee is required to start with and add to as they enter the OWL stage.

Dave go to the goals section of your fitday and use the pull down menu to tract fiber you can use 0 and 1 as the minimum and maximum just get it tracking cause while your nuts were excessive they were only 8 total carbs for the entire 8 ounces nuts you ate.

DO not get caugth up in those casls burned on fitday! it assumes you got a nice normal body with a healthy body fat ratio for your total weight. We used to laugh on ADBB back in the summer of 2003 cause Brook and I were both stalled out and according to fitdays cals in and cals out we both should have been losing mega pounds per week I know my debt was over 2000 some days but the scales weren't budging nor were the inches.

[ttdriver]

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Betty, would you say that you must consciously decline that second helping of pudding (whatever), or does your appetitie help you decline it ?

well .. I don't eat pudding .. as for the (whatever) .. I don't have seconds of anything. its not necessary for me. I eat slow and consciously and when I am full (not stuffed), I stop.

Do you think you (or perhaps others) would overeat naturally, left to their own devises (even though they are within their CCL) ? I would not overeat no matter what.

Or would you suggest just a general watch over intake/ portion sizes in general, combined with exercise of course ? ALWAYS A PRUDENT STRATEGY! In fact, I believe its the exercise I do that naturally decreases my appetite. Strange, but TRUE!

Betty

[ttdriver]

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So Betty, what do you think the fat/protein/carb ratio should be in the later stages of Atkins? At the start we are advised 65/30/5, but I don't think that's in DANDR.

That's hard to say. Depends on a person's activity level. I probably still eat close to the 65/30/5 range, but then I exercise alot. It obviously agrees with me because I have no trouble maintaining my weight.

Betty

[Isabeau]

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Nice thread.

[not2late]

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Just a quick point....

The "65/30/5" ratio is from the nutritional analysis of the Induction phase diet done during the Duke University study. Dr. Atkins was alive when that study was done and served as a consultant for the Duke researchers.

For the latter phases of Atkins the percentages are closer to 50% fats, 30% protein, 20% carb. As you re-introduce carbs during your OWL and Pre-Maintenance, your fat % 'naturally' decreases (see the sticky in the OWL forum to see why and how this 'naturally' happens).

BTW, the Fat Fast isn't to break stalls. Fat Fast in the 2002 edition is specifically for people who have a high metabolic resistance to weight loss. And Dr. Atkins had some very specific medical problems one must rule out before attempting the Fat Fast.

[LC_Dave]

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Alright guys, stop scrutinizing my menu in this thread :P lol (I did ask for people to look though didn't I ?)


Betty I believe that with a normal appeptite, sometimes people will over-eat, but then they will naturally compensate the next day by eating less. I saw an article like that once. But I suppose people get into trouble especially in the holiday period when they are constantly overeating.