Gaing Muscle in Ongoing Induction

[snldistrict]

I'm just curious if it's possible to gain muscle while in the Induction Phase of Atkins which I plan on being on for a while?

[slimndown]

Re: Gaing Muscle in Ongoing Induction

Of course!!!! Do you plan on exercising? If so, you will gain muscle.

[RationalBeing]

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It is almost impossible to gain muscle on atkins, despite what these folks try to tell you If it were possible then bodybuilders would do this and ask any body builder what they think of a ketogenic diet and invariably you'll hear: Great for fat cutting, but you will lose some muscle too!

The goal however should be to retain and tone what you already have however. If you can lose say 30lbs and lose NO muscle, that is quite an accomplishment in and of itself.

[Brook]

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RationalBeing- that's absolutely ridiculous. I've been on Atkins for almost 4 years now and my carb intake on maintenance is upwards of 100-120 grams. I'm STILL on Atkins - so your statement is not only inaccurate, it's narrow-minded. Atkins is not just induction. RTFM. You might wanna spend some time looking through the pictures and reading about the personal experiences of the people you seem to think are stupid and/or ignorant instead of knowing it all and see for yourself, RB.

Some lean muscle mass is lost with any weight loss, that much is true - and that's true of ANY weight loss program, but we're not talking about just an eating program here. We're talking about an eating program in conjunction with an exercise program and if you're exercising and eating well, you WILL gain muscle. It's ridiculous to say otherwise. You can not tax your muscles and have them be unresponsive. It's just not how the body works.

snldistrict: It is completely and totally possible/doable to put on muscle during induction. How do I know? I did it - and you'll find scores of others here who are DOING it now. It's fairly easy to go through the forum and take a look at pictures - the Vidiots are a great example as is Sarah- and see this for yourself. The pictures don't lie.

I'm not a big advocate of long, extended inductions though, snldistrict. Our bodies acclimate to the things we do entirely too fast, and I believe it's totally possible to set an artificially low CCLL/ML. Get your program going on and take it as it comes. Spend some time reading the pros and cons of extended inductions and see how you feel and how things are going.

Get to exercising and building those beautiful muscles! I wish you success
~Brook

[fluffyman]

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While nobody will bulk up like a bodybuilder while on any calorie restricted diet (bodybuilders consume upwards of 5,000 to 10,000 calories per day), exercise will stimulate muscle growth during Atkins. Firming, toning, and adding muscle mass are entirely possible on any phase of Atkins. It all depends on your level of effort and your desired end result. I know - I've added 1/2 an inch to my arms and 1 inch to my chest in the past 8 weeks, while doing induction no less.

It is almost impossible to gain muscle on atkins, despite what these folks try to tell you If it were possible then bodybuilders would do this and ask any body builder what they think of a ketogenic diet and invariably you'll hear: Great for fat cutting, but you will lose some muscle too!

The goal however should be to retain and tone what you already have however. If you can lose say 30lbs and lose NO muscle, that is quite an accomplishment in and of itself.

[penniedo]

Re: Gaing Muscle in Ongoing Induction

This is week 8 for me and and although the scale shows only a 7lbs loss, my arms and legs show the start of some very well defined muscles and If you look close you can even see a bit of a 6pack starting in the abs!! So YES you can build muscle!!

[fluffyman]

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PICS, penniedo, we want pics!

[penniedo]

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Hahaha!! Soon Rick!!

[jaga]

Re: Gaing Muscle in Ongoing Induction

It is almost impossible to gain muscle on atkins, despite what these folks try to tell you If it were possible then bodybuilders would do this and ask any body builder what they think of a ketogenic diet and invariably you'll hear: Great for fat cutting, but you will lose some muscle too!

The goal however should be to retain and tone what you already have however. If you can lose say 30lbs and lose NO muscle, that is quite an accomplishment in and of itself.

What total BS!

[kellygirl2]

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Have always wondered the same thing, snl, about gaining muscle while in induction or OWL (not maintenance). I weight train but always thought weight training during weight loss was to prevent muscle loss and promote toning. It is counter intuitive to think muscle can be built during calorie deficit. It doesn't really matter, because as others have said, weight training is toning and firming my body regardless if muscle is being added or not.

It will be interesting to hear what 2big or megs has to say about this.

[2big4mysize]

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the University of Conneticut study of non exercising fellows eating Atkins proved Atkins eating builds muscle tissue. they used a specail type of machin not a dunk tank to actually measure the muscle changes in 6 weeks. jut think if thosae fellows had been doing any kind of exercise how much better they would have done.
The vets study Dr Atkins rferences in Atkins shows muscle weight gain in their folk going Atkins and weight training for 12 weeks too.

there is a lot of misinformation about the amount of protein needed to build muscles anf the glucogenisis process. 30% protein is more then enough protein to add amino acids to the free pools, repair and replace body tissue and grow more muscle tissue. it takes less energy for the human body to store that excess protein in muscle tissue then it does to create sugar for storage of it and we know human body processes always use the least energy method if other choices are availible.

[RationalBeing]

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WRONG

As I said Brook - you can tone muscles but it is almost impossible gain lean muscle mass. And if you had read my original post you would see that I was talking about ketogenic - which is essentially INDUCTION.

Instead of calling me ignorant you need to get educated brook. Go talk to a body builder then come back here and apologize.

RationalBeing- that's absolutely ridiculous. I've been on Atkins for almost 4 years now and my carb intake on maintenance is upwards of 100-120 grams. I'm STILL on Atkins - so your statement is not only inaccurate, it's narrow-minded. Atkins is not just induction. RTFM. You might wanna spend some time looking through the pictures and reading about the personal experiences of the people you seem to think are stupid and/or ignorant instead of knowing it all and see for yourself, RB.

Some lean muscle mass is lost with any weight loss, that much is true - and that's true of ANY weight loss program, but we're not talking about just an eating program here. We're talking about an eating program in conjunction with an exercise program and if you're exercising and eating well, you WILL gain muscle. It's ridiculous to say otherwise. You can not tax your muscles and have them be unresponsive. It's just not how the body works.

snldistrict: It is completely and totally possible/doable to put on muscle during induction. How do I know? I did it - and you'll find scores of others here who are DOING it now. It's fairly easy to go through the forum and take a look at pictures - the Vidiots are a great example as is Sarah- and see this for yourself. The pictures don't lie.

I'm not a big advocate of long, extended inductions though, snldistrict. Our bodies acclimate to the things we do entirely too fast, and I believe it's totally possible to set an artificially low CCLL/ML. Get your program going on and take it as it comes. Spend some time reading the pros and cons of extended inductions and see how you feel and how things are going.

Get to exercising and building those beautiful muscles! I wish you success
~Brook

[fluffyman]

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In case you hadn't noticed, this is not a forum for bodybuilders. Learn some manners and come back and apologize.

Have you read the book? Induction lasts for two weeks.

[not2late]

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All the weight loss phases of Atkins are ketogenic. Pre-Maintenance Phase may or may not be "ketogenic" depending on the individual's CCLL/CCML.

Ketogenic diets are defined as a high-fat, low carbohydrate diet OR a diet that causes the formation of ketones.

"Low" carbohydrate is defined as less than or equal to 130 grams carbs per day because the RDA of carbs is 130 grams per day.

[cmooregreen]

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I too am not a big fan of a terribly extended induction and if you are weight training, you can come off of induction and continue to lose the same amount of weight as someone who continues with induction but isn't working out as much because you will be burning more than they are. Also, it is true that if you want to see a major increase in muscle mass, it is helpful to move out of induction and incorporate some of the approved foods from the higher rungs. Your body will gladly use these foods for the conversion of fat to muscle.