Carbs equal Thirst??

[Thinker]

Anyone else notice that when you screw up or, even intentionally cheat, you can't possibly drink enough water afterward? I had a bad dinner thing last night and couldn't have consummed enough fluid afterward!!!

[MidnightRane]

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I'm the same way. When I'm dieting, I don't really want to drink water. But as soon as I cheat and eat something I shouldn't have, I go through so many bottles of water, I can't get enough of it!

[Heidi3]

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Thinker that is so right on!!! Good point...I don't really screw up with food anymore thank goodness ...or intentionally cheat .or even use the word "cheat" ....but I have times where my carboverload is beyond what it should be and I feel like I have been out drinking all night

just goes to show you that wonderful healthy food in the right amounts is the answer to all of this

[Thinker]

Re: Carbs equal Thirst??

Thinker that is so right on!!! Good point...I don't really screw up with food anymore thank goodness ...or intentionally cheat .or even use the word "cheat" ....but I have times where my carboverload is beyond what it should be and I feel like I have been out drinking all night

just goes to show you that wonderful healthy food in the right amounts is the answer to all of this

1. Great picture in your signature

2. That's largely how I can tell if I've been victimized by hidden carb. We "ordered in" last night and I'd had a veg & chicken dish. Thought it was safe, but must have been wrong because I had the big time thirst later.


I wonder if this explains the sudden gain when your carb limit exceeds and why you get the "whoosh" sometimes? I seem to remember reading somewhere that fat cells hydrate more quickly. Sound familiar?

[Heidi3]

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1. Great picture in your signature

thanks it is all the wasabi I eat

2. That's largely how I can tell if I've been victimized by hidden carb. We "ordered in" last night and I'd had a veg & chicken dish. Thought it was safe, but must have been wrong because I had the big time thirst later.


I wonder if this explains the sudden gain when your carb limit exceeds and why you get the "whoosh" sometimes? I seem to remember reading somewhere that fat cells hydrate more quickly. Sound familiar

yes that sounds familiar... I hate that feeling of insatiable thirst and I feel toxic when I eat crap .. it helps that I adore cooking and would rather spend more money buying perfect food and just making what I want...I love to go out to good (not expensive but good) places...but I never order in anymore..it was always like what you are talking about ...

[fawn]

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carbohydrates absorb great amounts of water

fat is a diuretic

[RationalBeing]

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Well yes. In ketosis your body burns fat cuz there is not glycogen available to muscles. This is why you simply cannot gain muscle mass during atkins diet. If you're in ketosis you are down by about 5lbs (glycogen has a lot of water in it) so when you cheat, your body says "Hey, carbohydrates, lets make some glycogen, yay... but wait... where is the water? Quick, make her thirsty."

The result is you gain 5lbs overnight. (1/2 gallon of water or so)

[Thinker]

Re: Carbs equal Thirst??

Well yes. In ketosis your body burns fat cuz there is not glycogen available to muscles. This is why you simply cannot gain muscle mass during atkins diet. If you're in ketosis you are down by about 5lbs (glycogen has a lot of water in it) so when you cheat, your body says "Hey, carbohydrates, lets make some glycogen, yay... but wait... where is the water? Quick, make her thirsty."

The result is you gain 5lbs overnight. (1/2 gallon of water or so)

I'm not sure that I accept the muscle mass peice - but otherwise - 5 quick lbs is about right!! What a mess. Luckily goes away quickly too!!

[April2November]

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thanks for the thread thinker. now im more in tuned with that info i just learned.

[2big4mysize]

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Well yes. In ketosis your body burns fat cuz there is not glycogen available to muscles. This is why you simply cannot gain muscle mass during atkins diet. If you're in ketosis you are down by about 5lbs (glycogen has a lot of water in it) so when you cheat, your body says "Hey, carbohydrates, lets make some glycogen, yay... but wait... where is the water? Quick, make her thirsty."

The result is you gain 5lbs overnight. (1/2 gallon of water or so)

Well not only does the body store glycogen when you high carb pig out but your blood pressure elevates in response to the high blood sugar because low carbers don't quickly respond to a bolus of carbs with a massive initial production of insulin and the this higher pressure forces fluids out of the smallblood vessels and into your tissues dehydrating you andcausing the sweeling and bloated feeling many folk get. Then their is the bowels response to the higher then normal amount of sugar and it calls for fluids from the body to dilute these concentration as those getting the bowel effects from the pig out can attest too which also dehydrates you. Lots of reasons why you are very thristy after a high carb pig out none of them good.

Yep Thinker that muscle mass info is wrong and was proven wrong in a UConn Study of normal weight fellows eating Atkins and not exercising. The atkins eating fellows added muscle measured by a very special machine while the control high carb group did not. The Veterns hospital study showed muscle mass gains in exercising pound losing Atkins eaters too. Even Lyle McDonald the musclehead guru of ketogenic plans said they only need 40 grams of carbohydrates( not net grams of carbs like we have which is actually more carbohydrates then 20 during induction) some time in the day before the workout to satisfy the building of muscles requirements for body builders to protect against canabilizing their muscle tissues for energy. Yet this myth continues to be spread and taken as fact.


A little bio chem of the human body will demonstrate why. Many folk mistakenly think muscles only burn carbohydrate produced glycogen ie sugar and without sugar the muscle will burn its own proteins for fuel and never grow bigger. We can produce glycogen stores from the sugar produced from the hydrocarbon backbone of the fats we eat and body fat broken down, from excess proteins and from the resulting spent hydrocarbons from the anerobic sugar cycle.

First off the human body breaks down and stores proteins in muscles and organs for future needs as free pool amion acids when those reserves are full the body turns the excess into sugar for storage as fat. now knowing that lets look at muscles
Mucles are made up of 3 different types of muscle tissues. some use mostly anerobic fulls like phosphogens and the anerobic cycle of the carbohydrate molucule ( that would be sugar and the glycolisis we all learned about in jr high bio class for about 60% of their energy while other types use more fatty acid and aerobic section of the carbohydrate molecule ( that would be the elctrontransport or TCA part). It has been discovered through muscle biopsies of folk eating low carb and exercising that muscle cells will adapt and grow more fat burning mitochondria and store more fatty acids in their cells for quicker energy production. so muscles have fuel to work and grow eating Atkins. Besides even on a high carb plan those cells relying on the anerobic energy run out of stored fuels in about 1-2 min and need to be replaced which is why a sprinter can't sprint a marathon. The oxidation of fatty acids produces more of the phosphogen energy carbon for carbon then carbohydrates do so those phosphogen fuels supplies are being replenished quicky burning fats as fuels and muscle do not have to digest thier tissues for energy as muscle head sites warn folk about.

Also inorder to activate the enzymes needed to grow more muscle tissues certain amino acids have to be degraded to an ester form so some breakdown of protein is required for growth and should not be feared but again that feared "eating" its own mucles tissue pops up and poof the wrongly concluded idea is those tissues were "eatten" for energy.

Next they will tell you okay they have fuel BUT insulin is needed casue insulin helps pull proteins ( amino acids) onto muscle cellsfrom the blood stream) and while this is correct it doesn't take much insulin to do this. We all have insulin coursing through our blood stream all day long the level goes up slightly after we eat as our diabetic memebers can tell you in response to the slighly higher blood sugar we get. then the production stops and the levlel of insulin in the blood stream goes down. We never have no insulin in the blood stream unless we are type one diabetics who have to inject insulin. How the fallacy of this insulin issue came to be is bodybuilders who want it yesterday couldn't build muscle mass ( remember muscle mass is muscle tissue and that tissue contains glycogen stores locked with water 1 to 3 which can swell up a muscle fast but not actually be more muscle fiber in the muscle.) lickity split like they wanted for a competition and discovered if they injected insulin they could build faster. We are not trying to bulk up our muscles for a competiton 6 weeks down the road. Every Atkineer here can tell you that as they have exercised doing their Atkins they have added lean body mass while shedding fat mass. I myself packed on 7 pounds of muscle mass BFLing and HIITing while losing pounds in a 6 month period from 6/03 to 12/03.

Also their ketogenic plans for cutting weight is NOT ATKINS with our high 30% protein giving us more then enough protein for building and repair of body tissues and free pool amino acid storage with the excess from our dietary intake being converted to sugar through glucogenesis ( the dreaded eating the muscles thing of bodybuilders) in our livers cells and intestines.

so we can and do grow muscles eating atins.