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  • good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life :)

    Ok I keep reading where people are saying they stalled out on Atkins and have gone to SB ..or they have found Atkins too high in bad tat and so they have "progressed" to South Beach...

    COME ON!!!!!

    Move on if you want there is no harm in shaking up your life!!! If you think changing diets is going to give you a boost or remotivate then do it !!! no harm ..but do not blame Atkins for the shift..because if you are not eating regular sized amounts of food, and have not added all the food groups ..then it is not the fault of the diet ..it is failure to progress on Atkins

    I am on Atkins, I have eaten this way for a long time now and kept my weight down for over a year....I have read South Beach..in fact I started on it ...and I would never dis it ..it is very sound and very healthy and makes sense ..it is a good option ..but there is no reason someone has to "leave" Atkins for a lesser fat lifestyle.

    As far as I read in the book the high fat eating was for induction only really.. as you added foods back you decreased the overall amt of fat you eat naturally by adding more food to your diet . so that things balance out. Dr Atkins ALWAYS encouraged whole fresh foods and eating until content.

    I personally eat a very balanced diet with mostly the so called "good fats", but I eat butter for sure whole grains, fruits and veggies

    I really believe this is from any stand point a very healthy diet and that no matter who looked at it closely ..especially on the upper end of the ladder...they would not ever argue.

    a few things I think are important to me and may help you is

    I never buy anything labeled LOW CARB OR LOW FAT I do not think Dr Atkins intended his point to be us finding other processed food to eat when doing this..when he first started this....the fact is ..I avoid any processed food and would rather figure out and make my own food so I know what I am eating.

    I do limit fat consumption but I limit all my consumption to just what I need to be content..for instance ..I do not need to eat 4 oz of cheese a day to be content 1 or 2 are fine... use cream in my coffee (a teaspoon) , cook with olive oil or butter but in tablespoons not cups, whole fat mayo is used in a regular serving size not as a dip, sour cream in Tblspoons not in cups...these kind of things are important..getting used to eating what your body needs in a large variety keeps you from consuming too much fat ...if I eat chicken or fish with spinach and put butter in the spinach I a over all not eating much fat ...the more foods you add ..on each rung does not mean making more room on the plate that is for sure!!! it is adding to what you are eating now but decreasing other amts and still only eating when you are hungry and stopping when you have had enough ..that is the keyl


    here is an average Atkinsy day in the life of Heidi ...maintaining ...just to show you that you progress to differing levels in order to find balance if you are still eating TONS of anything while maintaining then you still have a problem with food ..and please do not blame this diet!




    for breakfast
    whole fat plain yogurt about 1/2 cup
    berries 1 cup
    home made unsweetened granola about 2 tbls

    or I will have eggs with veggies and cheese

    or fruit, nuts and cheese

    Lunch
    leftovers from dinner or
    salads made with all kinds of veggies, some kind of meat or cheese or something like tuna, chicken or egg salad
    I do not usually eat starchy veggies or grains at lunch it but I do at breakfast and dinner ..I have no idea why it just happens that way

    Dinner
    usually it is something like a curry or stir fry with all kinds of veggies
    I eat whole grain tortillas, or brown rice, or lentils, yams, plantains ..something starchy/grainy every evening with my dinner .

    I do not actually drink alcohol that often but when I do I eat a fatty high protein snack with it for sure or my resolve crumbles fast!

    I try to avoid anything with sugars in it ..all sugars they are triggers for me and I never ever lost my taste for it!! ...I could go months with out anything sweet and then eat 1/4 a cake!!!
    so that is out for me unless I am in a controlled setting and can not go for more I will not eat anything sugary. I also avoid white flour ..it is pointless there is not enough to me to make it worth the carbs. I use a great multi grain RobinHood flour Canada that bakes up light and is pretty low carb

    anyway I am blabbing or ranting or whatever ..but I am just feeling the urge to say...Move on if it is to shake your life up because things are stale but do not blame Atkins for being a high fat diet ..it is only like that until you add foods back and that is because people do better with the first few weeks in ketosis while they decarb....

    this is not a fact ...just my opinion and what I have used to succeed and retrain myself into a better eater ..seems to be doing a good job for me ...my weight is good, I feel good, cholesterol is perfect so is my blood pressure ...I have all my hair ...do not seem to be undernourished and I am a pretty average person to be honest....

    just no matter what you do ..eat a wide variety of fresh foods, in season, as close to the source as possible .move your body, and drink lots of water....how can you go wrong? if you need to move to another diet ..do it for the fun of it ..but now because this diet failed you

    OOOOXXXX

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    Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

    I hear ya, Heidi!

    To me the "bad" fats are the synthetic or highly processed fats, like some vegetable oils and those nasty trans fats. Natural fats--lard, chicken fat, unrefined vegetable oils---are the "good fats" that mankind has eaten since the beginning of time.

    As for grains....they have their purpose, but if you compare a serving of grains to a serving of vegetables or fruits, the veg and fruits have lower cals, more or equal amount of fiber and tons more vitamins and minerals. Plus there aren't alot of vegetables and fruits that have ingredients like "high fructose corn syrup" (Wonderbread 100% whole wheat, I'm looking at you!).
    ~Megs~
    242/141/160 (130)
    dress size 26/10/8
    5'4", Female, May 2, 2003
    My blog:
    http://mformiscellaneous.blogspot.com/

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    • #3
      Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

      I agree, great post, Heidi!

      Fat is where its at for me. I love my fats, they provide me with all the energy and fuel I need to run upwards of 40 miles every week and keep me satisfied so I have no need to snack or overeat.

      Oh and all those fats have done wonders for my cholesterol: 1.12 ratio after 4 years and 4 months on Atkins.

      Betty
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      • #4
        Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

        It's all so true. Now that I've found this wol, i've realized that something works for everyone. One person's body may respond to low-fat, another low-carb. Atkins has been a dream for me. I knew a few people who had success with low-carb so I researched it and decided to go head-long into it. Since then I've noticed a few people who said they started on Atkins and moved on to other eating plans. I guess different strokes for different folks, but it is kind of insulting when they blame it on Atkins and not their own personal preferences. In my opinion, if I follow the book to the letter, by the time I reach maintenance, my diet will be very balanced. It isn't the fact that a person tried something else because i hope something works, it's just the blame game thing that irks me.

        Check out our Low Carb Recipes website and add to it!!
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        Goals <140lb(63.6kg)Check!><130lb(59kg)><120lb(54.4kg)>
        5'3"(1.6m)/29/f
        I've lost 46 pounds since March '06...
        New Year, new goal!!


        If you read and listen to the book and its advice, you will succeed. Nothing worth having ever came easy.
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        • #5
          Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

          Actually I think what Heidi is saying is you have to do this WOE properly for it to work, not doing it properly, not losing, than blaming the diet is wrong...You need to go thru the rungs, add the higher carb foods like legumes grains and fruits which naturally bring your fat intake down and bringing you to a more balanced diet. (feel free to correct me if i'm wrong Heidi)

          I am a perfect example of someone that did not do this. I added the rungs but stayed at induction level carbs and fats, though i experimented with grains and legumes and fruits, I became so carbphobic i refused to make them a part of my diet. I had reached goal but because I didn't follow the rules properly I gained a bit of weight back. Not following the rules I believe only sets you up for failure.

          I've never blamed atkins for my weight gain, I have only myself to blame for not doing it properly, instead of allowing myself to properly climb the rungs, and allowing myself to become phobic of carbs and certain food groups. I decided to start to follow SB phase 2 because i need the rules and structure to help me add back the food groups that I was shunning. It has nothing to do with 'Atkins not working' but has everything to do with me not following it properly.

          I do believe with Dotsamantha, Everyone is different, and different things work for different people. I know people who have been successful on atkins, weight watchers, SB, low cal, low fat etc...it all has to do with what you are comfortable with and what works for you (and you are able to follow correctly )
          Jen, 39, F
          In maintenance



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          • #6
            Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

            I agree with all three of you

            Check out our Low Carb Recipes website and add to it!!
            My Journal Chat
            Start Date/Weight 6 March 06/186lb(84.5kg)
            Goals <140lb(63.6kg)Check!><130lb(59kg)><120lb(54.4kg)>
            5'3"(1.6m)/29/f
            I've lost 46 pounds since March '06...
            New Year, new goal!!


            If you read and listen to the book and its advice, you will succeed. Nothing worth having ever came easy.
            "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." -- Bertrand Russell

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            • #7
              Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

              Sadie girl you are correct..and I was not actually thinking about you when I did this ...it was other comments I had gotten from the boards or life ..you know I understand why you make changes ..... all of you are right TT you run and run and run so eating fats like you do is absolutely where you should be ..most of the work I do is heavy lifting with the remodel (more anerobic I guess than aerobic) ..so I eat less food in general I bet!

              Dotsam
              it is all good you know that....I believe and have seen both at work and here ..that people respond very well to low carb high fat diets for loosing weight that is for sure....

              when the weight does come off and you have climbed every rung there should be less fat on your plate naturally is what I a saying ...I still eat plenty and know some days I need more than others that is for sure!...so if people leave Atkins for a lower fat diet they are not reading it right or something is amiss because with more food on the plate and still eating in moderation ..things should balance out well enough to meet any a issues including stalls

              for instance I can bring up my nut nightmare ..
              when I first started eating nuts ..and some of you may remember ..I came on whining so much about being sick to my stomach or not loosing wt or something ...anyway when I realized I had added the nuts but now modified anything else I was overeating!!!..it was like BING hit me in the head....add nuts then eat less of something else ..duh ..this has nothing to do with counts or numbers and nuts are loaded with fat!!! but they have more fiber and nutrition than butter ..so now I eat just the right amount of nuts (this is not always easy btw) ...and usually in food not as a snack so I don't over eat ...

              my issue is with people who do not climb the rungs and learn each step while replacing space on the plate! then saying they stalled or needed to progress to a less fatty diet..when if they had progressed on Atkins they would be on a less fatty diet then they started on simply by the transition itself ...

              does that make sense?


              btw I learned most of this here and am just copying what I took on seems to still be working so I wanted to share!!!!

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              • #8
                Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

                I think for alot of people, they just get impatient that weightloss "takes too long" .. they give it up cuz it takes TIME and desperately seek another faster/better/quicker solution...(i.e. meat/egg fast for example!)

                Folks, there ain't no such thing. Atkins works, yes, but it takes effort and dediction and discipline.

                Betty
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                • #9
                  Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

                  I LOVE FATTY FOOD!!! so far it is what I grab when I have the YA YA's and have to eat something ...because of the satiety level I get ....more power for my intake..but in general I do not eat a high fat or high anything diet ..it is low carb...but that is from it being a LOW CRAP diet mostly!!!!!

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                  • #10
                    Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

                    TT correct but also there is awareness as well..being completely aware of what you are eating is critical or ..this ...and nothing else will work ...

                    I love you guys!!! OOOXXXX I am going to go find some wonderful food for tonights meal ...my office is painted

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                    • #11
                      Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

                      Heidi, if you get any cooler we will have to create a new word to descibe your coolness!
                      You certainly hit the nail on it's low carb head!
                      *Melinda*
                      *Condiment Queen*
                      HW 278 SW 196.5 CW 176 GW 150
                      "Argue your limitations and they are yours" -Richard Bach

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                      • #12
                        Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

                        Originally posted by ttdriver
                        I think for alot of people, they just get impatient that weightloss "takes too long" .. they give it up cuz it takes TIME and desperately seek another faster/better/quicker solution...(i.e. meat/egg fast for example!)

                        Folks, there ain't no such thing. Atkins works, yes, but it takes effort and dediction and discipline.

                        Betty
                        Yup, I agree with your there! I'm coming up on my 3rd year Atkins anniversary. And I'm taking my time losing weight. It might seem like a waste of time to some folks because I lost about 9.5 pounds during my first 14 days and I lost about 45 pounds during the 4 additional months I stayed on Induction due to the steroids I was taking for my allergies and asthma. If I had continued at my previous rate I would have reached goal 2 years ago. BUT it didn't take me long to realize that my weight problems were also due to my lousy eating habits and if I wanted to keep the weight off, I would have to take the time to change them.

                        No, I'm not taking about an "eating less carbs" eating habit change. I'm talking about the way I look at food---any food and how much I eat of it. I tell folks it's easy to overeat 'legal' foods because I've over-eaten them myself. And the thing that helps me to eat normal portions is to really pay attention to them and to really learn to listen to my body.

                        OWL has been great for me. I've learned so much about myself: I've learned about food triggers caused by foods and caused by emotional/environmental triggers. So, now if I'm about to eat another 1 carb portion of something just for the sake of eating it, I can stop myself.

                        And I've learned to prioritize my goals. I'm alot healthier than I was when I began Atkins. I'm alot stronger and my endurance is better. So, I'm still 2 dress sizes from my goal. You know what? I'm going to be a size 8, maybe not next month or by Christmas, but I want to make sure when I get there I'm gonna stay there and the only way I'll be able to do that is to make sure I learn how to do it while I'm losing this weight, not after.
                        ~Megs~
                        242/141/160 (130)
                        dress size 26/10/8
                        5'4", Female, May 2, 2003
                        My blog:
                        http://mformiscellaneous.blogspot.com/

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                        • #13
                          Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

                          You know? I went rounds with my SIL when she decided to try SB. I would hear she was eating grains and carrots and fruit and whatever. And how this doctor said Atkins was so bad, that you need fruits and grains, and that Doctor said all those fats were so bad. Oh and also, she could have dark chocolate from the beginning, so that was the deciding factor for her. (Hello? I am eating grains, and carrots and fruit?)
                          Well, I got my latest cholesterol results after being on Atkins for a yeah and a half, and they were awesome! I told her my doctor said to put her blood tests up against mine and see who was doing things right! That shut her up LOL.
                          My weight loss has pretty much stalled, but I am healthier and in better shape than I have been in years. Exercising a lot, so now my focus is more on body fat % than the scale numbers. (yeah, well. that's what I keep telling myself)
                          Anyway, what I told her was this: Hey. If it works for you, do it! Whatever IT is! But don't bash my way of life just because you don't understand it.
                          BARB

                          Life is what happens to you
                          while you're busy making other plans!
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                          • #14
                            Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life


                            Anyway, what I told her was this: Hey. If it works for you, do it! Whatever IT is! But don't bash my way of life just because you don't understand it.
                            Jen, 39, F
                            In maintenance



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                            • #15
                              Re: good fat bad fat SB Atkins grains starches life

                              Yes, that's true, Heidi.

                              Atkins works IF YOU WORK IT.

                              Betty
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