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    Question?!?!

    Ok, so I started induction 4 days ago. I plan to go onto extended induction since I need and want to lose a lot of weight. 150 pounds to be exact . I know on extended after 2 weeks you can add an ounce of nuts a day . What I'm wondering is if I get bored you know after a few weeks would it hurt to throw in some extra veggies from the owl rung. Not any of the bad ones, in the book I have it has categories for veggies to eat. Either all the time, moderation and like never lol j/k I meant sparingly. So I was wondering if on extended induction maybe 1-2 times a week if I could have some of those other veggies. I like change in food and I think that could help. Or even if on some days I could have more of the induction veggies. I'm not hungry anymore, but I know fo myself I get bored fast. Thanks



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    extended induction is exactly the same as the 14 day induction... so you dont add nuts

    id suggest going on to OWL after induction, you can stay on the rungs for as long as you want, months if you want, its all up to you...

    I lost more weight when i moved on to OWL so please dont think you'll lose more by staying on induction!

    OWL is all about learning what your body can and cant take, you may find out weird and wonderful things, i found out i was allergic to strawberries, whoda known?? i certainly didnt!

    so in answer to your main question, nope veggies wont do you any harm, but officially you would be on rung one of OWL doing so! dont give yourself chance to get bored!
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    • #3
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      Gosh, if you're already planning to have OWL portions of veggies, why not just go ahead and move into OWL on your third week? I mean, that's better for you anyway. You're obviously already knowing that you are going to have struggles sticking to the strict induction.

      Basically, the answer is No. If you are doing "extended induction" that means that you are following all the rules of induction for longer than two weeks. If you are going to add foods, just forget about extended induction and go ahead and do the ongoing weight loss phase and not be trying to bargain with the plan.

      I'm not sure what all the "fuss" is about feeling like we need to extend induction. No one is guaranteed to lose any faster if they extend induction. In fact, I've seen people time and time again lose MORE weight, FASTER by moving into ongoing weight loss phase.
      ~Joy

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      Just when you think you've eaten enough vegetables...EAT SOME MORE!
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      • #4
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        Hi, Amy

        Emma's post is excellent...

        I'm curious what gave you the idea that you could add nuts in extended Induction?

        Also, I want to reinforce what Emma said... you won't lose faster by staying in Induction longer. I strongly advise you to move into Rung 1 of OWL... more veggies! Yay! I stayed at Rung 1 for over 2 months... it is probably the most important rung. At any given phase of Atkins, more than half of your carbs should come from veggies. It is important to learn to incorporate them into your eating. I'm very pleased to see you so anxious to add them!

        Leave the nuts until the appropriate Rung 3... they spell trouble for many, so there's no hurry to add them.

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        • #5
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          LOL... we were posting at the same time, Joy. Great minds think alike.


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          • #6
            Re: Question?!?!

            In my atkins book it says that after two weeks of induction you can add an ounce of nuts a day. Like macadamias. Ok, so if I move onto OWL rung 1 veggies, how much can I have. I mean is there a set portion like in induction. I think I'm gonna have to go back and re-read the book. All I remember it saying was what Is aid before, eat all the time, moderation, and sparingly. I don't want to eat to much of it if i can't have it. I just can't remember. How long do you typically stay on a rung, is there something to go by or is it when you feel ready to move on. I'm actually not really bored of the diet, not even close. I just want to be prepared when it happens. I know myself I'll truck along real well, then wake up one day like if I eat one more piece of broccli I'll die. Thanks for the help.



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            • #7
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              Nuts on Induction past the 14 days....

              There is a sentence in Induction Rule #4 "Do not eat nuts or seeds in the first two weeks. Foods that combine protein and carbohydrates, such as chickpeas, kidney beans and other legumes are not permitted at this time."

              When I started Atkins, I took that to mean these foods aren't allowed during Induction, because Induction lasts 2 weeks. But others, including Atkins Nutritionals, see it as it's okay to eat nuts/seeds after the 14 days.

              However, this is where it gets sticky....The last sentence mentions legumes, like chickpeas (garbanzo), aren't allowed during this time either. What is "this time"? Is "this time " the first 2 weeks of Induction? Or is "this time" the entire Induction phase?

              Personally, as the OWL/Pre-Maintenance Forum moderator, nuts and seeds are the #1 problem food, due to portion control issues (1 ounce ain't a lot of nuts!), food sensitivities issues, and fat content issues. I think it's best just to move to OWL, unless you have have a high metabolic resistance to weight loss according to the charts in the book. 5 additional net carbs of the Induction veggies aren't going to hurt you (and it eases constipation issues.) Besides the majority of our carbs should be coming from vegetables anyway.....
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              • #8
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                Dr. Atkins called the Ongoing Weight Loss phase kind of like a ladder with rungs. You add foods as you climb the ladder and he prescribes which order to add the foods.

                The first is more vegetables. You take however much veggies you're eating on induction (3 cups) and add 5 net carbs of more vegetables per day. This time the measurement of cups of vegetables doesn't so much matter, it's the net carbs that count. So, if you add 5 net carbs of lettuce--that's like 1,340,934 (yeah that's an exaggeration but you get what I mean) cups of lettuce. But 5 net carbs of pumpkin is about 1/2 a cup.

                You can stay here as long as you like. Adding in 5 net carb increments. I, personally, eat about 65 total carbs with at least 25-30 of that being fiber for a net carb of 40 each day. I've been at this for almost 2 years though.

                The next step would be to add Dairy--yogurt, cottage cheese, ricotta cheese, milk, half and half, etc. in 5 net carb increments.

                The next steps then are nuts, then berries, then alcohol, then fruits, then legumes, then starchy vegetables, and finally grains.

                See, we get to add ALL food groups back to our diets AND STILL LOSE WEIGHT! Well, we don't ever add back sugar,refined carbs like white rice, white flour, etc.
                ~Joy

                Start 1/2/06 Goal 6/11/07 restart 1/2/09
                268.5/196/185
                QUIT SMOKING JULY 23, 2006 while on Atkins


                Just when you think you've eaten enough vegetables...EAT SOME MORE!
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                • #9
                  Re: Question?!?!

                  Wow, thanks for explaining that, it's a lot easier understanding from a person. lol. I gotcha now. That's cool, I think I know wht I'll do now. So, if I go on owl veggies I can add low carb veggies as long as it don't go over 5 g carbs, till I increase it another 5 grams that's pretty simple. Do you know where I could find like a carb counter, so I know what the veggies are.



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                  • #10
                    Re: Question?!?!

                    I'm siding with the "move to OWL" crowd (that's everyone, isn't it??). Rung one will probably speed up your weight loss anyway, and it isn't long until you get to add in nuts legally. Extended induction is mainly for the metabolically resistent.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Question?!?!

                      I use www.fitday.com to track all my food. It will give you the carb counts of almost everything.
                      ~Joy

                      Start 1/2/06 Goal 6/11/07 restart 1/2/09
                      268.5/196/185
                      QUIT SMOKING JULY 23, 2006 while on Atkins


                      Just when you think you've eaten enough vegetables...EAT SOME MORE!
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                      • #12
                        Re: Question?!?!

                        Thought I'd share my first hand experience. I am one of those people who remained on Induction for and extended period of time ... a little over a year to be exact. I wasn't bored and, truthfully, I feared moving onto OWL at the time. Keep in mind that when I began Atkins, I had in excess of 300 pounds to lose and it seemed overwhelming and like it would never happen. Out of a need for greater latitude in preparing meals, I reluctantly moved to OWL. Amazingly though, my earlier fears were unfounded and I began losing weight. Personally, my purpose in moving to OWL was simple. I wanted more veggies and some berries and occasional nuts. Read the Chapter in DANDR on OWL. I didn't consumer all the foods on each rung and there are some things I stay away from, totally.

                        Best wishes to you!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Question?!?!

                          Wow. That is really amazing. Well done Irish.Irish.

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                          • #14
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                            Here's a link to the Atkins carb counter for veggies. It's been a lifesaver for me.

                            http://www.atkins.com/carb-counter/?category=Vegetables
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                            • #15
                              Re: Question?!?!

                              Hello Amy,

                              Good luck with your Induction.

                              There is a lot of good advice on this board, from a lot of good people. When I was doing my Induction, I found the advice given from Emma, and Mitzimarie, in particular to be helpful, and consistent.

                              I, like you, did Induction, and then Extended Induction. I am now giving some serious thought to moving to OWL, Rung One.

                              Again, best of luck.
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