Larry King...

[Shaemess]

Tonight on Larry King they're talking about "Are fatty foods good for you?", "What if fat doesn't make you fat", ect. It should be interesting.

[OzLover]

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I'm taping the show at this moment. I'm curious to see what the panel has to say re: low carb WOL.

Glenda

[VGrace]

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I watched about half of it. It was interesting,though I would have liked it more if Gary Taubes could have talked more.

[Shaemess]

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Yeah, what was up with that? We've heard all that low fat and low calorie stuff for ages and people are still fat. The medical community really needs to take a fresh look at what's going on.

[b0llywud]

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anybody who watched it- would u be able to give a quick rundown of key points and conclusions? thanks

[Shaemess]

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Well Gary Taubes, Oprah's diet doctor, Gillian (From the Biggest Loser), a former contestant from TBL who has lost over 100 pounds, and another doctor whose name escapes me, was on the show.

Pretty much Gary Taubes agreed with everything Dr. Atkin's had to say because he read the same information the good doctor did. He also added that he believes that Sugar is worse then tobacco and Carbs can cause cancer.

Gillian was particularly annoying by stating that his theory's falls short because she's tried it.

It was interesting but it would have been better if Gary didn't have Oprah's diet doctor and Gillian constantly attacking him. But to be fair he pretty much gave as good as he got.

[Hudson]

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I thought the most interesting thing was when the guy Weil gave some praise to Taubes. I was thinking that this guys attitude might catch on a little. And by the end of the show they were all saying processed simple carbs should be avoided.

I just read the transcript, but I thought it was a good show for Larry King. (maybe better because Larry was not actually there!??)

And Gillians "you are wrong about exercise and diet because I tried it" was very weak. Yea several years of research is nothing compared to "I tried it". But she might be annoying to me if she called Atkins a genious.

[mystic]

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Bummer I missed that. Gillian is a good team builder, but agreed, you only come off as weak when you expect others to buy your perspective with blind faith.

[susan423]

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I watched about half of it and had to turn it off. At first he sounded like an Atkins wanna be but I just couldn't buy his theory on excersize. And the way everyone was talking over each other really got on my nerves. I wasn't i mpressed at all.

[Hudson]

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His theory on exercise is just what he sees in the research. Exercise alone has very little benefit for weight loss. That confirms what I have seen in my own life. The key to my weight is what I eat, not how much I exercise.

He is probably much more respected than Atkins was. He may actually be able to do some serious mind changing as far as low-fat/low-carb understanding goes.

[not2late]

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His theory on exercise is just what he sees in the research. Exercise alone has very little benefit for weight loss. That confirms what I have seen in my own life. The key to my weight is what I eat, not how much I exercise.

He is probably much more respected than Atkins was. He may actually be able to do some serious mind changing as far as low-fat/low-carb understanding goes.

I read Taubes' article on exercise in the Ny Times. He makes sense, imo. The more you exercise, the more energy you expend, the more energy you expend, the more energy you need to take in. That explains why people who were athletic, but gain a ton of weight once their activity level slows: they are used to eating an amount of food to support an athletic lifestyle and they don't adjust their food intake to a slower-paced lifestyle. And if they encounter the same food/hunger cues problems I've encountered trying to get my portion sizes under control, it's no wonder they have a hard time eating appropriately.

I see it in myself now as I'm closer to goal. If I exercise a lot, my appetite is bigger as opposed to when I don't exercise a lot. That isn't too bad, as long as I continue exercising at the same rate daily or nearly daily. But I'm realistic....there's no way, when I hang up my "goal" sign, that I'm going to be biking 15 miles a day or walking 9 miles a day 5-6 days a week. Nope. I'm honest enough with myself to know myself that the days I'm too tired or the days I oversleep and I miss my exercise that I won't make up for it later in the day. The only reason why I'm motivated to get up and exercise is because I want to lose extra fat. So, I've been spending my Pre-Maintenance figuring out how much exercise time I will actually get and how much food I need to eat in order not to gain. I'm just happy, I spent my Atkins learning to eat normal portion sizes.

[matawguro]

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I'm still waiting for my copy of Taubes' book. I had my sister order it for me and I should have it early November.

Based on personal experience, I agree with Taubes regarding exercise to a point. My dad always kept nagging me that I wasn't exercising enough. There was a point that within a week I was doing 6 hours of martial arts training (which included kickboxing), 4 hours of weight training, 3 hours of ballroom dancing. I gained lots of muscle mass but didn't loss any body fat. The fact that I actually looked fatter after all doing more exercise than what my dad ever did shut him up. Of course, this was before I went on Atkins.

When I went on Atkins, moderate exercise was enough. Four hours a week of exercise that didn't have me wheezing or panting was good enough. I believe that Atkins made exercise more efficient for me.

However, when I got a corporate job which resulted in my having zero exercise time, the result was,... well, look at my sig below.

Dr. Atkins was right, IMHO. Exercise is a non-negotiable. But I also now believe that it's not the weight-loss panacea that evereybody says it is.

[kate58]

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I have read Taubes book (which is really a must-read for anyone interested in nutrition, low carb or otherwise. Actually I think it is a must read for anyone who eats!!) and what he says about exercise makes absolute sense and is backed up by research.

However a lot of media seem to be portraying it as if he said "Don't bother exercising", which is NOT the case. He said it is almost impossible to lose weight as a result of excercise, but not that exercise is not good for your general health in a myriad of other ways.

Bear in mind when you read anything about this book, without reading it, the sort of crap that is written in mainstream media about Atkins, often by people who don't let the fact that have quite obviously not read the book themselves hold them back from critisism of it.

[matawguro]

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Larry King transcript annotated by owls.

WEIL: I think this is a very important book. I have been recommending it to my medical colleagues and students. He raises big questions and I think there are some very big ideas in this book.

One of them is that there is absolutely no scientific evidence for the belief that fat is the driver of obesity.

Secondly, the idea that it's carbohydrate which is central to this process and that obesity is mostly a hormonal disorder, genetically influenced, in which insulin is a central player; that overeating and under activity are not causes of obesity, but symptoms of that underlying disorder.

That is, it's not that people eat too much and don't exercise because of some defect of will or some behavioral problem, it's that this is behavior that is controlled by a hormonal disturbance.

BEHAR: Really?



WEIL: And -- really. And I think he's done a meticulous job of showing that many of the assumptions that are held by the conventional medical community simply rest on nothing.



BEHAR: OK.



WEIL: That there's no scientific evidence for.


Now, I will also say I don't agree with all of his conclusions, but I think these are...

BEHAR: What don't you agree with?

WEIL: Well, I don't agree that the way to -- to process this is to eat a diet that's mostly meat and no carbohydrate. I think there are -- it's very important for people to understand how carbohydrates affect them and the differences in carbohydrate food. And that's not a matter of simple versus complex. It's how carbohydrates are handled by the body, how they affect blood sugar.

And not everybody is in this spectrum. There are some people who are not sensitive to carbohydrates and won't get fat no matter how much they eat.

But I think his basic ideas here are very important and it's very important to get these out in the medical community, because a lot of the ways we try to prevent and treat obesity are based on assumptions that have no scientific evidence for them.

BEHAR: OK, so how do you -- he loves you.

TAUBES: Let me just say, I -- I agree with everything he said.